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  • #1912243
    DovidBT
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    What’s the root of the first word of Bereishis 6:11, vatishacheis?

    Both Artscroll and Kehot translate it as “had become corrupt”.

    #1912252
    Reb Eliezer
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    שחת

    #1912297
    Reb Eliezer
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    It is a piel as shiches, to corrupt.

    #1912301
    DovidBT
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    @Reb Eliezer
    Thanks. I thought I had looked for that one earlier in BDB and Jastrow. In any case, it’s there now.

    #1912371
    Benephraim
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    How can it be a piel?

    It would then be active voice not passive.

    Here it is passive voice,the earth was corrupted.

    Try a different binyan adei ad?

    Did not know people use BDB who were not from unzere.

    Jastrow, nu , mayleh.

    #1912395
    Reb Eliezer
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    Benephraim, you are right this is passive, a nifal where the vov converts the future tense to past.

    #1912396
    DovidBT
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    @Benephraim
    What are the alternatives to BDB and Jastrow? (for a BT without formal Jewish education)

    #1912404
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    According to Rashi:

    ותשחת [THE EARTH] WAS CORRUPT — It means lewdness and idolatry, as (Deuteronomy 4:16) פן תשחיתון “lest ye deal corruptly” (the following words show that this refers to idolatry) and as ‘כי השחית כל בשר וגו “for all flesh had corrupted etc.” (in next verse of this chapter where Rashi states that this has reference to lewdness) (Sanhedrin 57a).

    #1912399
    Reb Eliezer
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    I looked at Analytical Hebrew and Cbaldee Lexicon by Benjamin Davidson which enumerates all hebrew and aramaic words in Tenach (not unzere)ו

    #1912444
    Benephraim
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    Reb Dovid, do you know the shoresh of Dovid and it’s meaning?

    Secondly, the piel form of sh-ch-s is used in reference to Hashem Yisborach. The niphal is used for the land and the hiphil is used for the people.

    Contrast this with healing where the doctor is piel and Hashem is Kal sometimes with and sometimes without a dagesh,?

    Capesci?

    #1912453
    Reb Eliezer
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    The niphal root is shochas, to be corrupted.

    #1912542
    Pekak
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    I think it’s a poel yotzei

    #1912604
    DovidBT
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    What does “unzere” mean?

    #1912732
    Reb Eliezer
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    Go and google ‘unsere’.

    #1912787
    DovidBT
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    @RebEliezer
    Google it yourself.

    #1913400
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Rabbenu Bachaya explains the difference between a doctor where it says verapah yerapeh with a ‘peh’ heavy, whereas by Hashem it says rofecha with a ‘feh’ light. Hashem’s cure is light but a doctor’s
    is hard. By a doctor there is a double expression whereas by Hashem a single one. A doctor leaves side effects requiring to go back to heal. I also heard that we should seek a second opinion which are by Hashem unnecessary.

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