September 28, 2014 8:45 am at 8:45 am #613755thinkingoutloud91Member
I watched a few videos of everyone in the airport getting ready to board the plane on the plane, and in Uman.
I have seen some nice pictures and videos of Jews praying but I feel like to some extent it’s kind of a chilul hashem. (The noise being wild ect.)
I actually also had a conversation Over tom tov about going for the right reasons. And how a lot of people don’t.
My opinion is my opinion but just curious about other peoples opinions.September 28, 2014 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm #1034833147Participant
I am a “Oheiv Yisroel” so I will allocate my vacation funds to keep going to Israel like a good Loyal Faithful Jew.September 29, 2014 8:02 am at 8:02 am #1034834Daniel Q BlogMember
Do you ever see people shavous night that only seem to come to shmooze and eat cheese cake – and say what’s the deal? Do you ever see people talking in shul – and go why are you here?
I think the same can be said to those that go to a place from what I have heard is a life changing event that has literally altered and moved thousands of yidden of different backgrounds in their avodas Hashem (including many learned people who were not in it for any hock reasons and who love their families) and act improperly. I don’t think we should stop learning on shavous night because some people don’t learn and eat cake. And I don’t think we should stop minyanim where people talk. Even though, both events can be labeled a chillul hashem.
I actually think we should be dan l’chaf tzchus. That the neshama of the guy eating the cheese cake and talking is also holy. He is in the right place, has right intentions – just his nisayon is luckily not my or your nisayon.
I am not a Breslaver Chasid by any stretch. But I will leave the decision of why people do things for the right or wrong reason to Hashem especially when I know that so many have been positively effected by the experience.September 29, 2014 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #1034835thinkingoutloud91Member
My main point was not about going for the right reasons. It was more of a side point.
my point was taking up 75 percent of airport and dancing and singing like no one is there.September 29, 2014 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1034836
I’m assuming 75% is an exaggeration. Would it also irk you if the people singing and dancing were born again Christians?September 29, 2014 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #10348372qwertyParticipant
I’m just curious who from the current leaders (Rabbi, Rav or Rebbe) say that it’s a good idea to go?
And is it something that all of us should try to do?September 29, 2014 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #1034838
Apparently there’s a will from Rabi Nachman telling his chasidim to come to him for Rosh HashanaSeptember 30, 2014 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #1034839zahavasdadParticipant
Rav Nachman is the only Breslov Rebbe, he had no successor. Sort of like the way Chabad is todaySeptember 30, 2014 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1034840yytzParticipant
2querty: Of the many Breslov leaders today, the vast majority support and encourage travel to Uman for Rosh HaShanah. There are a few who don’t (popular Breslover singer-songwriter Yosef Karduner — check his music out on youtube! — was initially mekareved by one of them, but now believes in going to Uman). Although Rebbe Nachman didn’t leave a “rebbe” as successor, it was clear that Reb Noson was his successor, and since then there have been a group of Breslov gedolim in each generation.
Ivory: Yes, Rebbe Nachman emphasized very strongly the importance of coming to him on Rosh HaShana, and of continuing to visit him after his death.
I’m not sure whether there are any Breslov leaders today who say that *everyone* should try to go. The first thing to do is to study and put into practice Rebbe Nachman’s teachings. If you feel a strong connection to these teachings, and they are a big influence on you, then it may be a good idea for you to go one day.
The only situations in which I think it would be a good idea for a person without a strong connection to Breslov to go is if it would either 1) help strengthen a person who has lost his belief in or enthusiasm for Yiddishkeit, or 2) encourage a person on the path to becoming completely observant. I’ve read of cases of people who had been observant for years but weren’t “feeling it,” but who had an amazing spiritual experience in Uman that greatly improved their subsequent experience with Yiddishkeit (one of the examples I’m thinking of is a woman who visited Uman with a group at a time other than Rosh Hashana).October 7, 2014 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm #1034841DaMosheParticipant
Yom Kippur is about forgiveness. Rosh HaShanah is not. On Yom Kippur, we all confess our sins, so we declare that ALL sinners are welcome.October 7, 2014 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #1034842heavy briskerMember
does anyone knows why we only say “onu matirim le’hispalel im avaryonim” on yom kippur and not on rosh hashonoOctober 7, 2014 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #1034843sirvoddmortMember
Cos they’re all in UmanOctober 7, 2014 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #1034844
Apparently there’s a will from Rabi Nachman telling his chasidim to come to him for Rosh Hashana
He supposedly said that he promises to personally pull anybody who davens by his kever in Uman on Rosh Hashono out of Gehenom by their peyos.
Last week, somebody asked R’ Avraham Gurvitz shlit”a if he should go – it’s worth it! R’ Avraham replied a) he doubts that R’ Nachman ever said such a thing until he sees documentation of it [and it didn’t sound like he was planning on looking!] b) his father R’ Leib Gurvitz zt”l used to tell Bochurim “What, didn’t you know they shave your peyos off on the way in?”October 8, 2014 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm #1034845heavy briskerMember
yekke2 so acccording to HR Leib Gurevvitz in gehinnom you wont be able to tell how brisk i am, takke gehinom. maybe he only meant the long breslover peyos, can u ask him for me.October 8, 2014 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #1034846
They definitely don’t shave off the peyos on the way in ( I know it wasn’t meant literally…)October 8, 2014 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #1034847
It’s okay, heavy brisker, even without your payos, Avrohom Avinu promised to pull you out by your Milah. Lucky there will be no tug of war between him and R’ Nachman.October 8, 2014 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1034848
But I will try send him your best regards nonetheless!
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