December 1, 2019 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #1806231RebbeDebbieParticipant
Am Haaretz last week published an article titled “The Russians Are Coming: Israel’s New Crop of Reform Rabbis ” by Judy Maltz with the subtitle “A growing number of immigrants from the former Soviet Union are joining – and leading – Reform congregations in Israel ” They also plan to open more reform places across all of E”Y, with many being currently built at already at capacity.
This explains why so many in E”Y support Shabbos buses, selling “white meat,” and abolishing chametz restrictrictions during Pesach!December 1, 2019 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #1806465JosephParticipant
A very large portion of the Russian “olim” are gentiles with some Jewish ancestry on their paternal side. Many (but not all; many others among them didn’t bother to) of these Russian gentiles in Israel underwent a fake “conversion” by the Zionist rabbanut that justified it in the name of “nationalism” even though they openly acknowledged that these Russian so-called converts never intended to keep a single Shabbos, before the Mikva water dried off them, or to ever stop fressing the Russian delicacy of bacon.
As a result of a Beis Din, notably headed by Av Beis Din Dayan Avrohom Sherman who is Daati Leumi and was a visiting scholar at YU, ruled that all those thousands of so-called “converts” never were halachicly converted and all remain gentiles.
As such, these non-Jewish Russians are a perfect fit for the Reform movement, which itself conducts phony conversions and recognizes paternal descent.December 1, 2019 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #1806482
Reb Yosef is correct regarding the likelihood that a number of the FSU immigrants to EY (not just Russians) were likely never megayer c’halacha and pose a real challenge in terms of their future marriages, status of their children etc. Unfortunately, though, many who did properly convert are treated with a total lack of respect by many frum mosdos and are being pushed away from yiddishkeit rather than being embraced. While some skepticism is totally appropriate, there needs to be considerably more attention focused on their credentials rather than these broad characterizations we see in the media.December 1, 2019 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #1806495☕️coffee addictParticipant
I guess it’s not a chiddush
Joe referencing a YU daati rabbi and giving him credibilityDecember 1, 2019 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #1806488lakewhutParticipant
Some Russians in Israel are dangerous. A lot of them were brainwashed by communism and have no respect for Judaism.December 1, 2019 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #1806507
Lakewhut: there are lots of non-Russian yidden in EY who are also very dangerous to yiddeshkeit. Lets stop with these broad accusations and generalizations against a whole segment of the tzibur.December 1, 2019 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #1806506DovidBTParticipant
brainwashed by communism and have no respect for Judaism
Which is closer to Judaism: Communism or Democracy?December 1, 2019 9:56 pm at 9:56 pm #1806505zahavasdadParticipant
Actually most russians hate communism and anything that reminds them of the Soviet UnionDecember 2, 2019 1:40 am at 1:40 am #1806535Avi KParticipant
RD, who gave you a heter to read that publication? The fact of the matter is that many olim from Russia (in Russia, BTW, a Russian, that is to say his ID card lists him a “Russki” is someone who is ethnically Russian whereas a Jew is listed as a Yevrei – Hebrew) are Chareidim or RZ.December 2, 2019 8:27 am at 8:27 am #1806574lakewhutParticipant
GH a lot of the Russians whom I speak about are not Jewish or their status is a question at best.
dBT Communism is against religionDecember 2, 2019 9:13 am at 9:13 am #1806595RebbeDebbieParticipant
Joseph, are you not concerned that the leftist nonsense that the reforms worship will begin to pollute the minds of these indivduals, and thus make it more acceptable for chillul Shabbos and other such disgusting things to become mainstream?December 2, 2019 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #1806790DovidBTParticipant
Communism is against religion
So is democracy.December 9, 2019 7:59 am at 7:59 am #1809068silvershadchanParticipant
Let us not forget about the fact that our ancestors to came from Russia albeit a lot earlier then this latest arrivals of Jews from Russia. We are one in the same at the end of the day. So let’s show some respect towards our fellow Russian brethren.December 9, 2019 9:08 am at 9:08 am #1809144JosephParticipant
A large portion of the Russians in Israel are gentiles.December 9, 2019 9:41 am at 9:41 am #1809167MilhouseParticipant
So are a large portion (a majority?) of “Reform Jews”.December 9, 2019 9:41 am at 9:41 am #1809164
I don’t really see much in the way of affirmative programs designed to introduce these immigrants (who unquestionably are yidden) to traditional yiddeshkeit but a lot of warnings about their being a threat to yiddeshkeit by embracing “reform” practices or simply posing as yidden while not have been megayer c’halacha.December 9, 2019 11:35 am at 11:35 am #1809185
Note: parenthetical above should read (FOR THOSE who unquestionably are yidden). Obviously, there are many who are not. My point being even those who ARE yidden are still encountering hostility and discrimination over a decade after their arrival in EY.
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