November 21, 2013 5:45 am at 5:45 am #611341
Why are there folk who will say words of shema or shmone esrei multiple times? It sounds insane, but it actually exists.
Have you ever heard of the sh shm shman shmang yisroel weirdness? To me its totally OCD but some people think of it as some kind of ultra yeshivish mentality. I suppose the line of thinking is, am I sure I said that word right? Oh no let me try again…but it kind of defeats the purpose since it ruins the shma.November 21, 2013 1:47 pm at 1:47 pm #991187
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It’s supposed to be able to get one out of / cool off (any single type of) Gehenom.November 21, 2013 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #991189BoruchSchwartzParticipant
Na nach nachma nachman meumanNovember 21, 2013 4:02 pm at 4:02 pm #991190HaLeiViParticipant
As somebody once asked, you are saying it for 50 years already and you still can’t get it right?November 21, 2013 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #991191
p.b.a: I beg to differ. a Troll is someone who sows discord on the internet – according to wiki. I could point to a thousand and one threads that are of the same type of which you did not scream troll.
I am wondering about an interesting phenomenon that exists. It is a valid discussion. Perhaps you are that type so you are extra sensitive. Sorry for making you uncomfortable.November 21, 2013 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #991192
yah yah.November 21, 2013 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #991193ubiquitinParticipant
I heard from R’ Reisman beshem R’ Tzadok of lublin That why is the best thing we can do to cool off gehenom, you’d think by being so careful youd’ avoid gehenom?
He explained these people are very annoying so they are going to gehenom, but because it is leshem shomayim as a reward it is cooled offNovember 21, 2013 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #991194miritchkaMember
Oh gosh! This situation is a little to familiar to me. I have this friend i used to go to when i was in school and i would sleep over when we studied for finals/regents. In the morning, her father would daven brachos and say sh’ma at home before going to shul. (he was one of those that never got to shul on time, which could’ve been prevented if he’d get to shul before davening brachos at home..) Anyway, when he’d say shma, he’d say one word at a time, pausing and mumbling the kavanos one should have when reciting shma, and after about 3 seconds he’d continue to the next word and do the same thing. I used to think he was a huge tzaddik, until i started to really think about the hefsek and talking in the middle of davening – let alone shema!November 21, 2013 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #991195SaysMeMember
because there’s chiyuv shema twice a day n if mispronounced, you are not yotzei. Tho the ppl i’ve heard doing it didn’t repeat in middle of davening but after, resaid shema with the repeating til i dont know what- it ‘felt right’ to them?November 21, 2013 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #991196
If you do a mitzva because you have OCD, is that the type of shelo l’shma that leads to l’shma?November 21, 2013 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #991197BoruchSchwartzParticipant
@ PBA Or in this case, mitoch shelo l’shema bo l’shemaNovember 21, 2013 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm #991198
lolNovember 21, 2013 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #991199Bookworm120Participant
I-I-I d-do-don’-don’t u-un-und-unde-under-unders-underst-understa-understan-understand why people would do that. I might think that for some, it improves their kavannah? Personally, it sounds distracting to me.November 21, 2013 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #991200Torah613TorahParticipant
If you repeat it too much, you’re making the mistakes more permanent in your memory.November 21, 2013 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #991201apushatayidParticipant
reminds me of the breslover and brisker who were sharing a room. they both finally climbed into bed thoroughly exhausted after a long day. suddenly from the bed of the bresolver is heard, NA, and fro the brisker. SSHHHHH. again, is heard, NA, and again…..SSSHHHH, again, Na Nach, again even louder SSSHHSHSHSHSHSH, again, Na Nach Nachman….and in response an even louder SSSHSHSHSHHSHSHSHSHSHHSSSS from the brisker, then a Na Nach Nachman Meuman from the breslover and in response an even louder SHSHSHHSHSHSMa from the brisker.November 21, 2013 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #991202Shopping613 🌠Participant
Whats a brisker?November 21, 2013 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #991203
The Gemora says if you separate the words then Hashem will cool off
someone repeating cause of lack of Kavana and he repeats over and over again Rashi says it looks like he is making a joke
The gemora says , a way that you act with freind you would act with Hashem? So the gemora says we give him malkos till he lears to have propper kavanaNovember 21, 2013 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #991204WIYMember
Theyre too busy getting the lo lishma right. It will never get to lishma.November 21, 2013 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #991205Matan1Participant
It’s a mental illness called obsessive compulsive disorder. It can be treated with medication and/or talk therapyNovember 21, 2013 8:24 pm at 8:24 pm #991206Torah613TorahParticipant
lo lo lo lo lo loNovember 21, 2013 9:04 pm at 9:04 pm #991207twistedParticipant
In shul last shabbos, (just visiting) I heard a teenager saying the shma of birchas hashachar, and he had the common three syllable E-cha-dih. After he repeated the performance in the regular Shema, I went to pick on him after davening, showing him the lack of a shva or a dagesh in the daled. I told him the dalet as a beged kefes, has a rafeh form, dz,or dth, which is articulated with the previous syllable, it can be held longer, to be maarich in echad, and that there are 19 soft daleds in the krias shma, in addition to the soft dalet in the kinui of Hashem.November 21, 2013 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #991208scrollerMember
jewish source: see psalms 68:15 and brachos 15b
If you make the name of Hashem clear by saying each word clearly then the Torah which the kings of Israel rule from will cool off for you the shadow of death (i.e. gehenom).November 21, 2013 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #991209
scroller: Are you trying to prove that sh-shm-shmang is good or bad?November 21, 2013 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #991210SecularFrummyMember
Check out the Amshinover rebbe.November 21, 2013 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #991211writersoulMember
apy: I heard that joke, but not with the Breslover… then I made the mistake of repeating it to a Brisker. Who baruch Hashem found it hilarious, so that’s all right in the end.
Isn’t there an inyan that you’re not supposed to repeat words during davening? I’ve seen it come up in things like chazzanus.November 22, 2013 1:10 am at 1:10 am #991212
M’shatkin Oso?November 22, 2013 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #991213
scroller Separating the worsd
Sam2 M’shatkin Oso is only full pesukimNovember 22, 2013 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #991214
Jewish source: That’s a Machlokes Rishonim.November 22, 2013 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #991215
trueNovember 24, 2013 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm #991216LevAryehMember
If I’m not mistaken the mechaber says that repeating a word of Krias Shema (which according to the Mishna Berurah refers to either the first Pasuk or the first Parsha) invalidates the recital and the person would not be yotzei.November 25, 2013 12:37 am at 12:37 am #991217golferParticipant
Torah6, we’re all sitting here waiting for u to type that last L !
Here – take it and end your post already.
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Jewish Source: See the Rambam Hilchos Krias Shma Perek 2.December 5, 2013 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #991220apushatayidParticipant
“Whats a brisker?”
Someone who drinks lipton tea
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