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  • #611341
    jewishness
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    Why are there folk who will say words of shema or shmone esrei multiple times? It sounds insane, but it actually exists.

    Have you ever heard of the sh shm shman shmang yisroel weirdness? To me its totally OCD but some people think of it as some kind of ultra yeshivish mentality. I suppose the line of thinking is, am I sure I said that word right? Oh no let me try again…but it kind of defeats the purpose since it ruins the shma.

    #991187
    popa_bar_abba
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    T-t-tr-tro-tro-troll-trolllll-trrrrroll-trrrrrroooooo-tttttrrrrrrrooooooolllllllllllll

    #991188

    It’s supposed to be able to get one out of / cool off (any single type of) Gehenom.

    #991189
    BoruchSchwartz
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    Na nach nachma nachman meuman

    #991190
    HaLeiVi
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    As somebody once asked, you are saying it for 50 years already and you still can’t get it right?

    #991191
    jewishness
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    p.b.a: I beg to differ. a Troll is someone who sows discord on the internet – according to wiki. I could point to a thousand and one threads that are of the same type of which you did not scream troll.

    I am wondering about an interesting phenomenon that exists. It is a valid discussion. Perhaps you are that type so you are extra sensitive. Sorry for making you uncomfortable.

    #991192
    popa_bar_abba
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    yah yah.

    #991193
    ubiquitin
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    I heard from R’ Reisman beshem R’ Tzadok of lublin That why is the best thing we can do to cool off gehenom, you’d think by being so careful youd’ avoid gehenom?

    He explained these people are very annoying so they are going to gehenom, but because it is leshem shomayim as a reward it is cooled off

    #991194
    miritchka
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    Oh gosh! This situation is a little to familiar to me. I have this friend i used to go to when i was in school and i would sleep over when we studied for finals/regents. In the morning, her father would daven brachos and say sh’ma at home before going to shul. (he was one of those that never got to shul on time, which could’ve been prevented if he’d get to shul before davening brachos at home..) Anyway, when he’d say shma, he’d say one word at a time, pausing and mumbling the kavanos one should have when reciting shma, and after about 3 seconds he’d continue to the next word and do the same thing. I used to think he was a huge tzaddik, until i started to really think about the hefsek and talking in the middle of davening – let alone shema!

    #991195
    SaysMe
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    because there’s chiyuv shema twice a day n if mispronounced, you are not yotzei. Tho the ppl i’ve heard doing it didn’t repeat in middle of davening but after, resaid shema with the repeating til i dont know what- it ‘felt right’ to them?

    #991196
    popa_bar_abba
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    If you do a mitzva because you have OCD, is that the type of shelo l’shma that leads to l’shma?

    #991197
    BoruchSchwartz
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    @ PBA Or in this case, mitoch shelo l’shema bo l’shema

    #991198
    popa_bar_abba
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    lol

    #991199
    Bookworm120
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    I-I-I d-do-don’-don’t u-un-und-unde-under-unders-underst-understa-understan-understand why people would do that. I might think that for some, it improves their kavannah? Personally, it sounds distracting to me.

    #991200
    Torah613Torah
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    If you repeat it too much, you’re making the mistakes more permanent in your memory.

    #991201
    apushatayid
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    reminds me of the breslover and brisker who were sharing a room. they both finally climbed into bed thoroughly exhausted after a long day. suddenly from the bed of the bresolver is heard, NA, and fro the brisker. SSHHHHH. again, is heard, NA, and again…..SSSHHHH, again, Na Nach, again even louder SSSHHSHSHSHSHSH, again, Na Nach Nachman….and in response an even louder SSSHSHSHSHHSHSHSHSHSHHSSSS from the brisker, then a Na Nach Nachman Meuman from the breslover and in response an even louder SHSHSHHSHSHSMa from the brisker.

    #991202
    Shopping613 🌠
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    Whats a brisker?

    #991203
    jewish source
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    The Gemora says if you separate the words then Hashem will cool off

    Geihinom.

    someone repeating cause of lack of Kavana and he repeats over and over again Rashi says it looks like he is making a joke

    The gemora says , a way that you act with freind you would act with Hashem? So the gemora says we give him malkos till he lears to have propper kavana

    #991204
    WIY
    Member

    Theyre too busy getting the lo lishma right. It will never get to lishma.

    #991205
    Matan1
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    It’s a mental illness called obsessive compulsive disorder. It can be treated with medication and/or talk therapy

    #991206
    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    lo lo lo lo lo lo

    #991207
    twisted
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    In shul last shabbos, (just visiting) I heard a teenager saying the shma of birchas hashachar, and he had the common three syllable E-cha-dih. After he repeated the performance in the regular Shema, I went to pick on him after davening, showing him the lack of a shva or a dagesh in the daled. I told him the dalet as a beged kefes, has a rafeh form, dz,or dth, which is articulated with the previous syllable, it can be held longer, to be maarich in echad, and that there are 19 soft daleds in the krias shma, in addition to the soft dalet in the kinui of Hashem.

    #991208
    scroller
    Member

    jewish source: see psalms 68:15 and brachos 15b

    If you make the name of Hashem clear by saying each word clearly then the Torah which the kings of Israel rule from will cool off for you the shadow of death (i.e. gehenom).

    #991209
    jewishness
    Participant

    scroller: Are you trying to prove that sh-shm-shmang is good or bad?

    #991210

    Check out the Amshinover rebbe.

    #991211
    writersoul
    Member

    apy: I heard that joke, but not with the Breslover… then I made the mistake of repeating it to a Brisker. Who baruch Hashem found it hilarious, so that’s all right in the end.

    Isn’t there an inyan that you’re not supposed to repeat words during davening? I’ve seen it come up in things like chazzanus.

    #991212
    Sam2
    Participant

    M’shatkin Oso?

    #991213
    jewish source
    Participant

    scroller Separating the worsd

    Sam2 M’shatkin Oso is only full pesukim

    #991214
    Sam2
    Participant

    Jewish source: That’s a Machlokes Rishonim.

    #991215
    jewish source
    Participant

    true

    #991216
    LevAryeh
    Member

    If I’m not mistaken the mechaber says that repeating a word of Krias Shema (which according to the Mishna Berurah refers to either the first Pasuk or the first Parsha) invalidates the recital and the person would not be yotzei.

    #991217
    golfer
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    Torah6, we’re all sitting here waiting for u to type that last L !

    Here – take it and end your post already.

    – – – l – – –

    #991219
    Sam2
    Participant

    Jewish Source: See the Rambam Hilchos Krias Shma Perek 2.

    #991220
    apushatayid
    Participant

    “Whats a brisker?”

    Someone who drinks lipton tea

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