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  • #605950
    gotbeer
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    Petitions signed by hundreds of thousands of Americans seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the union have now been filed for all 50 states on the White House website.

    What is your on take of this ???

    #908010
    farrocks
    Member

    I think all 50 States ought to secede!

    After all 50 States have successfully seceded — and the U.S.A. no longer exists, — the 50 independent states will then form a new union and call it the United States of America.

    #908011
    shnitzy
    Member

    I second the motion.

    #908012
    akuperma
    Participant

    1. It’s a joke. A stunt. A protest.

    2. A very small 3% change, and Romney would be doing a transition and looking forward to both houses being Republican. It’s only when your region is getting whooped that you consider leaving. THen the “blue” would be screaming the country is going downhill.

    3. Given that any state to leave would take its share of the national debt, but not the ability to print dollars, they would be an instant “Greece”

    #908013
    potpie
    Member

    It’s perfectly normal. It happens after every election. There’s no reason to get excited.

    #908014
    Geordie613
    Participant

    if 50 states all secede, would that leave just Washington dc and porta rica in the USA?

    #908015
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    Has the State of Insanity seceded from America yet?

    #908016
    uneeq
    Member

    If only secession was possible. The Federal government is overly bloated and doesn’t serve it’s original purpose. I think many states would be happier to be on their own again. No one forced the States to join the Union, and no one should force them from leaving.

    #908017
    iced
    Member

    It is illegal to secede. A State cannot secede. This was proven with the Civil War when Southern states attempted to secede and the Federal government refused to accept it. (And the Union won the issue.)

    #908018
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    If only secession was possible.

    It’s not. We had a little dustup back in the 1860s on that very issue.

    In addition, the Supreme Court ruled (Texas v. White) that secession is not possible.

    The Wolf

    #908019
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    if 50 states all secede, would that leave just Washington dc and porta rica in the USA?

    Well, I think the Union would collapse well before the 50th state seceeded. In any event, in addition to porta rica* (sic), the U.S. has other insular territories as well, including Guam, American Somoa, Northern Mariana Islands and the U.S. Virgin Islands (which, I should point out, is a beautiful place).

    The Wolf

    * It’s “Puerto Rico.”

    #908020
    akuperma
    Participant

    uneeq:

    1. Secession requires at most a 2/3 vote in the Senate to ratify a treaty, and probably only a majority vote in both houses of Congress. At worse, it requires a constitutional amendment.

    2. Certainly states such as New York (and most of the states with large Jewish populations) would be bankrupt almost immediately, and would enter a full fledged depression, similar to Greece, often combined with hyperinflation.

    3. The withdrawal of the United States from world affairs, as no state would have the capacity of raising sufficient military force to project power abroad, would probably be no worse than it was before the US started interfering in other country’s affairs (we remember the 1930’s, they were a good time, weren’t they?).

    #908021
    farrocks
    Member

    akuperma: A treaty can only be ratified in the Senate if it is between the U.S. and a foreign nation. Since the State in question will still be a part of the U.S. at the time it may seek secession, a treaty is not a possible avenue and is irrelevant to the issue.

    A constitutional amendment is indeed the only avenue to legally secede. But passing a constitutional amendment, as you know, is very difficult as it require the acquiescence of 3/4 of all the States in addition to requiring 2/3 of both houses of Congress (or 2/3 of State conventions.)

    #908024
    uneeq
    Member

    I admit I am mistaken. Seems pretty stupid to me that a Union of States would declare that it’s illegal to secede from the Union that each state joined. The administration even considered it a rebellion.

    Why does a state have enough power to join the Union, but not enough power to get out?

    Am I finally revealing a dirty part of our history (and current policy)? I guess that history really IS written by the victors.

    #908025
    yehudayona
    Participant

    It’s like Young Israel. When a shul joins, they agree not to secede. Well, they can secede but they have to hand over all their assets.

    #908026
    oomis
    Participant

    This is just sour grapes talking. I hate that Obama has another four years to mess us up, but he was elected nonetheless, and we have to make the best of this situation. The election should never have taken place when it did. Romney’s momentum was interrupted by the storm. But let’s be realistic – if we are Yidden of true bitachon, then we believe that Obama would never have been re-elected had this not been Hashem’s Will.

    #908027
    uneeq
    Member

    Oomis: How excited were the Yekkes when Hitler rose to power? Would you call them sour grapes too?

    #908029
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Oomis: How excited were the Yekkes when Hitler rose to power? Would you call them sour grapes too?

    Oh, please. Don’t post stupid, ridiculous comparisons.

    If you really believe that Obama’s re-election is anything akin to Hitler’s coming to power, then you’re truly deluded.

    The Wolf

    #908030
    147
    Participant

    If we became 50 separate counties, this would entail numerous border control {including each time we cross the Hudson River}, and very limited choice of locations to reside in, if each state then has its own immigration quotas, and is closed to citizens of other states.

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