March 25, 2012 1:13 am at 1:13 am #602633147Participant
Whilst reciting Sholom Aleichem & Eshes Chayil, this past Shabbos Rosh Chodesh, the issue came up:- Do we recite Sholom Aleichem & Eshes Chayil on Friday Seder nite? This not having transpired in 14 years, memories are very short. ……… Are Zemiros sung during Friday nite Shulchon Oruch part of the Seder?
As for other Yomim Tovim occurring on Friday nite [such as Acharon Shel pEsach occurring on Friday nite 1 week later for Chutznokim] are Sholom Aleichem & Eshes Chayil chanted on Friday Yom Tov Nite?March 25, 2012 1:34 am at 1:34 am #862237R.T.Participant
Hi 147: Very few people recite Shalom Aleichem on Friday Nights that coincide with Yom Tov, Chol HaMoed or Motzai Yom Tov. That would apply to all the Regalim, Rosh HaShanna and Yom Kippur. I would venture to say that it is a mirror reflection of Friday Night davening — No Lechu Neranna, Reduced Lecha Dodi (Sfard) or No Lecha Dodi (Ashkenaz), etc…
If it were universally said, wouldn’t it have been included in newer Haggadas?March 25, 2012 8:31 am at 8:31 am #862238
Halacha is plain and clear about shabbos + yom tov, we do not say sholom aleichem nor eishes chayil. IIRC we do say the last part of Modeh Ani.March 25, 2012 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #862239Rav TuvParticipant
Halacha is plain and clear about shabbos + yom tov, we do not say sholom aleichem nor eishes chayil. IIRC we do say the last part of Modeh Ani.
Where in Halacha is reciting Shalom Aleichem and Aishes Chayil on Shabbos and Yom Tov mentioned let alone being “plain and clear?” Please give sources.March 25, 2012 5:01 pm at 5:01 pm #862240popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Are Zemiros sung during Friday nite Shulchon Oruch part of the Seder?
My minhag is to sing ?-? ????? on friday night, even if it is yom kippur.
My litvish ancestors’ minhag is to turn over in their graves while I do so.March 25, 2012 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #862241yitayningwutParticipant
heheMarch 25, 2012 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #862242WolfishMusingsParticipant
Halacha is plain and clear about shabbos + yom tov, we do not say sholom aleichem nor eishes chayil.
A further sign that I am going to hell in the afterlife. I have very distinct memories of singing Shalom Alichem and Eishes Chayil in the sukkah on Yom Tov. I guess if I violate a halacha that is a plain and clear as that, who knows what else I’ll violate.
I would venture to guess that this violation of halacha ranks right up there with idolatry, blasphemy and murder.
The WolfMarch 25, 2012 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #862243fedup11210Member
Rav Pam was once asked this shailoh. He answered that there are different minhagim and one should do whatever his minhag is. The person then asked what Rav Pam’s minhag was and he answered that his minhag is not to say Sholom Alechem but Eishes Chayil he does not skip.March 25, 2012 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #862244avhabenParticipant
I think he said Shalom Aleichem but not Aishes Chayil.March 25, 2012 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #862245R.T.Participant
“Halacha is plain and clear about shabbos + yom tov, we do not say sholom aleichem nor eishes chayil.”
Really ?!? Can you quote me a legitimate source? Shulchan Aruch? Mishna Brura? Aruch HaShulchan? Ben Ish Chai? Kaf HaChaim?
Let’s be very careful about making statements like that in this (and other) forum(s).
I made it clear that very few people have the practice, which should imply that it is a Minhag by most not to say it.
As a matter of fact, I have on my Shtender a wonderful new Haggada Tiferet Tzvi by the Sphinka Rebbe and his Talmidim. It states the Sphinka Rebbe was noheg to say Shalom Aleichem, Eishet Chayil and part of Atkinu Seudata on Leyl Pesach, referencing the Arugat HaBosem in this regard. I think that the Sphinka Rebbe was well versed in Halacha.March 25, 2012 11:40 pm at 11:40 pm #862246deiyezoogerMember
Some have the minhag to say “shalom aleichem” when other Yomim Tovim are on shabbos but not on Pesach since then Hasham comes down himself and there is no need for the Malachim to take up our tefilos, while others do sing it even on peshach as Hakaros hatov for the malachim for doing so the entire year.March 26, 2012 1:39 am at 1:39 am #862247fedup11210Member
Avhaben: please see the ArtScroll biography or Rav Pam Page 433. Quoting from the book: “I don’t sing Sholam Aleichem…but Eishes Chayil one must not omit”.
Deiyezooger: I heard a similar sevara as yours. On leil shabbos two malachim accompany a person home; one for zachar and one for shomer.
Since Pesach is Leil Shimurim, even these malachim don’t accompany a person home. However, my family still has the minhag to sing sholom aleichem.
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