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    springbok007
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    Can Chometz be sold virtually? KInyan?

    #1841272
    Joseph
    Participant

    Machlokes.

    #1841270
    akuperma
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    The kinyan (exchanging a pen or gartel or whatever) is just a way of making it clearer. There is no inherent reason why one can’t make a contract over the internet (or through the mail), either by halacha or the goyim’s law. The only issue if proof of identity (ask for a moment if in the past you had to show your passport or drivers license or ID card when selling hametz).

    #1841368
    DaMoshe
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    You’re not selling the chametz when you exchange the pen, gartel, or anything else. You are appointing the Rav to be your Shaliach to sell the chametz on your behalf.

    #1841379

    Speak to your LOR.

    #1841409
    Milhouse
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    Yes, chometz can be sold without a physical presence. For at least the past ten years, I think even longer, there have been several web sites allowing people to sell their chometz online. Just search for “sell your chometz” and you will find it.

    #1841423
    Joseph
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    Milhouse: Just because some have been doing it doesn’t indicate all agree it is acceptable.

    #1841424
    Milhouse
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    In fact now that I think about it I’m pretty sure I saw a service over 30 years ago, before there was even a world wide web, that let you sell your chometz by email.

    #1841506
    zahavasdad
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    Rav Hershel Schecter is telling people to sell virtually at this time

    #1841517
    Joseph
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    There’s no problem going to someone’s house during these difficult times. As such there’s no problem going to your Rov’s house and selling it in person just like you do every other year. There needn’t be 10+ people in the house with the Rov. Everyone can come at a different time; even by appointment.

    per the guidelines this means not crossing his threshold 

    #1841523

    “per the guidelines this means not crossing his threshold “. Jut go to his house, ring the bell, stand outside, the Rov brings the shtar to the door, make the rav your shliach, all without crossing the threshold.

    #1841526
    Reb Eliezer
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    The Piskei Teshuvas 448 says in the name of Rav Eliyoshov ztz’l and others that we can designate the Rav to sell the Chametz through the telephone as revealing your intentions is enough in selling chametz. Therefore virtual selling should also be good.

    #1841981
    ubiquitin
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    Theres a lot of confusion on this thread.

    “Can Chometz be sold virtually? ”

    No, a sale requires a kinyan, mot kinyanim require both parties (He might be able to do a chazaka on karka aquiring chometz with kinyan agav alone)

    now, most of us don’t sell our chometz. We appoint the Rav to sell for us. That appointing of a Rav, pashtus DOES NOT require a kinyan, sure in most yeas we can be “mehader” to appoint the rav wit a kinyan, but as most poskim do’t require that , the Rav can be appointed virtually.

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