March 19, 2020 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm #1841238springbok007Participant
Can Chometz be sold virtually? KInyan?March 19, 2020 1:09 pm at 1:09 pm #1841272
Machlokes.March 19, 2020 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #1841270akupermaParticipant
The kinyan (exchanging a pen or gartel or whatever) is just a way of making it clearer. There is no inherent reason why one can’t make a contract over the internet (or through the mail), either by halacha or the goyim’s law. The only issue if proof of identity (ask for a moment if in the past you had to show your passport or drivers license or ID card when selling hametz).March 19, 2020 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #1841368DaMosheParticipant
You’re not selling the chametz when you exchange the pen, gartel, or anything else. You are appointing the Rav to be your Shaliach to sell the chametz on your behalf.March 19, 2020 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #1841379lowerourtuition11210Participant
Speak to your LOR.March 19, 2020 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #1841409MilhouseParticipant
Yes, chometz can be sold without a physical presence. For at least the past ten years, I think even longer, there have been several web sites allowing people to sell their chometz online. Just search for “sell your chometz” and you will find it.March 19, 2020 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #1841423
Milhouse: Just because some have been doing it doesn’t indicate all agree it is acceptable.March 19, 2020 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #1841424MilhouseParticipant
In fact now that I think about it I’m pretty sure I saw a service over 30 years ago, before there was even a world wide web, that let you sell your chometz by email.March 20, 2020 7:41 am at 7:41 am #1841506zahavasdadParticipant
Rav Hershel Schecter is telling people to sell virtually at this timeMarch 20, 2020 8:58 am at 8:58 am #1841517
There’s no problem going to someone’s house during these difficult times. As such there’s no problem going to your Rov’s house and selling it in person just like you do every other year. There needn’t be 10+ people in the house with the Rov. Everyone can come at a different time; even by appointment.
per the guidelines this means not crossing his thresholdMarch 20, 2020 11:51 am at 11:51 am #1841523lowerourtuition11210Participant
“per the guidelines this means not crossing his threshold “. Jut go to his house, ring the bell, stand outside, the Rov brings the shtar to the door, make the rav your shliach, all without crossing the threshold.March 20, 2020 11:53 am at 11:53 am #1841526Reb EliezerParticipant
The Piskei Teshuvas 448 says in the name of Rav Eliyoshov ztz’l and others that we can designate the Rav to sell the Chametz through the telephone as revealing your intentions is enough in selling chametz. Therefore virtual selling should also be good.March 23, 2020 6:57 am at 6:57 am #1841981ubiquitinParticipant
Theres a lot of confusion on this thread.
“Can Chometz be sold virtually? ”
No, a sale requires a kinyan, mot kinyanim require both parties (He might be able to do a chazaka on karka aquiring chometz with kinyan agav alone)
now, most of us don’t sell our chometz. We appoint the Rav to sell for us. That appointing of a Rav, pashtus DOES NOT require a kinyan, sure in most yeas we can be “mehader” to appoint the rav wit a kinyan, but as most poskim do’t require that , the Rav can be appointed virtually.
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