Seminary non returnable application fees!!

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    Tzvi Hirsh
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    Why do the Seminaries accept so many applications with the

    non returnable fees when they know they can only accept only a small amount of the applicants?

    It does not seem fair to take money if they dont accept someone. Sometime parents have to apply to a few schools to insure their child has a place to learn in the coming year. This fee could be $150 or more!!!!

    #917745

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Q: Why do the Seminaries accept so many applications with the

    non returnable fees when they know they can only accept only a small amount of the applicants?

    A: This fee could be $150 or more!!!!

    Seriously, if you know this going in, you have no complaint. Besides, if you’re willing to shell out 20k plus, why are you complaining about another $300? It’s just part of the expense of this perceived necessity called sem in EY.

    #917746

    It helps defray the cost of the menthol traveling to and from interviews. Also, when you apply to college, you also have to pay a non-refundable application fee and might not get accepted, the same goes for applying anywhere. It costs money to hire someone to process the paperwork and for people who fly in to interview the girls…

    #917747

    uneeq
    Member

    Why do the Seminaries accept so many applications with the non returnable fees when they know they can only accept only a small amount of the applicants?

    If you send me $150, I may or may not be able to your question. Non-refundable, of course.

    #917748

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    It helps defray the cost of the menthol traveling to and from interviews.

    I didn’t know toothpaste was so expensive. 🙂

    #917749

    *menahel

    #917750

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Columbia charges $80 application fee

    Funny how they can charge less

    #917751

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “menthol”

    Turn off auto correct.

    I think the application fee is more justifiable than the tuition some of these “sems” are charging.

    #917752

    artsy
    Participant

    i don’t think that they should be expected to return it to those who aren’t in – but they should DEFINITELY take it off tuition of those who do!

    #917753

    I am not from new york, but I feel like seminary tuition is similar to day school tuition in new york, and I have heard that it is very difficult to get scholarships for day school tuition in new york. I am not trying to dismiss the tuition as inexpensive for people in new york, but it is just a thought.

    #917754

    nfgo3
    Member

    Seminaries charge non-refundable application fees for the same reason that any enterprise charges anything for anything: because people pay it. If the fees were higher, the seminaries would get fewer applicants. If the fees were lower, the seminaries would get more applicants. Higher fees, therefore, give the seminaries fewer applications to wade through, and probably screen out the applicants who can’t pay the full freight.

    There is a fair amount of halacha on pricing. Has anyone tried to apply it to the pricing of yeshivas and seminaries and analyzed whether the halacha is being followed?

    #917755

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “Has anyone tried to apply it to the pricing of yeshivas and seminaries and analyzed whether the halacha is being followed?”

    This is from the more outrageous statements to appear on YWN in some time. If it wasnt so ignorant, it might be inflammatory.

    #917756

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Which reminds me of my friend’s idea for a seminary.

    He is going to open a new seminary, and build up lots of hype, and get lots of applications with a high application fee. Then, he will simply accept nobody, and pocket all the money. Rinse, repeat.

    #917757

    WIY
    Member

    Popa

    What if everyone pays with bounced checks?

    #917758

    apushatayid
    Participant

    sounds like a plan.

    #917759

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    Columbia charges less – but has many more applicants.

    #917760

    Poster
    Member

    They only want ple to apply if they seriously want to go. If they wouldn’t charge a fee pple would apply for the fun of it.

    #917761

    That makes sense, also, each seminary (at least the ones in Israel) have someone from Israel fly in to do presentations for recruiting, and then again for interviews, and both times they come in, they speak to the administration of the schools about the students, and they also speak to the schools year round about who would be good for what school, and they, as much as it seems like it isn’t true, need to keep up some standard of living for their students and, especially when you are going to so many cities to do all of that, have to pay for transportation, and I am sure that the application fees do not even cover all those expenses completely by the time you get all the applications and see who ends up going to the seminary.

    #917762

    RABBAIM
    Participant

    I once worked for a Yeshiva with low fees and loads of non serious people applied just to

    a- give their child the experience of going through the interview process and

    b- keep their options open.

    It cost me mega hours of research and interview time. Once we raised the fees we pared it down to those who were seriously considering our mossad and life became more focused and productive. We were also seen in the eyes of the public as a more serious place than when we charged mush less. We DID deduct the fee from the tuition for those accepted.

    What I have difficulty understanding is why my local elementary and high school charge a yearly registration fee of 200 dollars for a child who is already enrolled! What is the justification?

    #917763

    Nechomah
    Participant

    I don’t know if Columbia flies admissions personnel to various locations throughout the U.S. (sems also take girls from Europe and Canada, so add those costs in as well), but I would imagine that any interviews are conducted on campus. I never had any interviews when I applied to any of the U.C. schools. Maybe the private Ivy League schools do have interviews.

    #917764

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    What I have difficulty understanding is why my local elementary and high school charge a yearly registration fee of 200 dollars for a child who is already enrolled! What is the justification?

    It helps pay the bills.

    #917765

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I am sure most seminaries do not send personal throught the world except to places where they have alot of applicants (Like NY, Miami, or LA)

    There is no excuse for seminaries to charge more than Columbia and FYI Columbia is on the high side for admission fees, CUNY is $65

    #917766

    twisted
    Participant

    Because it is a business, and its all about the bottom line.

    #917767

    zahavasdad: At the same time, those places get thousands of applicants, and seminaries typically only get a few hundred applicants when they are at the point where they reach the maximum amount of students enrolled for several years in a row (that they want to have enrolled in their school).

    #917768

    RABBAIM
    Participant

    Twisted- It’s a business always running n the red……….

    It is chinuch, not business!

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