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  • #1975391
    benshapiro
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    I go to a shul where they set up the kiddish during mussuf should I switch shuls

    #1975483

    at what point in mussaf? is it a mass of mispallelim or one person setting up? a little more information is necessary.

    #1975492
    ubiquitin
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    Yes

    A proper kiddush should be too big to set up during mussaf, you want at least during laining, ideally they set up during shacharis

    Oooor they are davening mussaf way too long.

    either way switch

    #1975494
    ☕️coffee addict
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    I’ll let commonsaychel answer you 😜

    #1975504
    ujm
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    It depends what they serve for kiddush. Is the food good, at least?

    #1975526

    let me rephrase the question to see the half-full side:
    I go to a shul where they do not start drinking until mussaf is over! and they do not even do it in the shul itself.

    An added bonus: if they were doing this the whole year, you may not need a vaccine, you already probably had a booster also.

    #1975541
    n0mesorah
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    In your opinion, what is the better option?

    #1975534

    PS the core question is – where is the rov during the mussaf, aka kiddush setup. Not just “rov” as in “hakham”, but the majority? if only a few people set up kiddush, then the rest are true tzaddikim that are resisting the temptation, (daf yomi warning) – as Ovadia who lived amonf 2 reshayim.

    R Eliezer Silber talked with a Nazi camp survivor who said that he stopped being observant when he saw a religious Jew who had a siddur, who would charge daily meal ration to let others use the siddur. R Silber replied that did you think about all the other people who would give their last food to daven with that siddur?

    #1975780
    funnybone
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    Why does it bother you? In what way are the competing shuls worse than yours that you aren’t sure if you should change?

    #1975826
    TRUEBT
    Participant

    Walking out after Kedushah for a davar mitzvah would seem to be mutar. That is why we do it for Birkas Cohanim.

    #1975978
    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Who is setting up the Kiddush…………….
    Male members of the shul?
    Female members of the shul?
    Paid employees of the shul?
    The caterer’s staff?

    It makes a difference.

    #1975989
    FrumWhere
    Participant

    I think TRUEBT nailed it. If they’re setting it up in the Shul itself during Musaf, though, that is not a good thing at all and should be stopped. But if the Shul is a good place to daven for you, ie good Rov, no talking, good chavershaft, good for your kids, etc, why would you leave?

    #1977815
    GotAGoodPoint
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    I’m happy to see that i’m not the only one bothered by this practice.
    It’s a problem though, when else could they do it? Keep everybody waiting?
    The best would be if somebody spoke then, so nobody would be bored. whoever wants can listen to the drosho, whoever wants can help setiing it up….
    It would also help that we could eat in peace, without anybody making a rumbiling annoying background noise while we eat….

    #1977839

    Seriously speaking, there would be tircha d’tziburah if you don’t set it up on time. Depending on the community, it may decrease shul attendance, and make people come home later, make other family members wait longer. Have less time to sleep or learn on shabbat. So, maybe it is a good thing to do.

    It also seems that the shul is reasonably fast davening, rather than saying piyutim and making announcements. I would NOT want to be in a shul where announcements take so long that it is possible to serve a big kiddush!

    #1977869
    RebYid613
    Participant

    My shul does it before mussaf (I do)

    #1978279

    > My shul does it before mussaf

    Does it make it better for the tanna kama?! How is skipping shaharis better than skipping musaf?

    and it is not better for the connoisseurs – who wants a cold cholent?! And people may daven even faster knowing that the cholent is getting cold.

    #1981617
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    Participant

    I’m all for setting up kiddush after maariv. for then.

    what I’m trying to say is why doesn’t anyone make a night kiddush.

    #1981639

    Participant, in the evening, your family members are waiting at home to fulfill kidush mideoraita, and you will be drinking shnaps in shul? And where women are also in shul, kids are more likely to be in bed at night

    #1981654
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    during the winter, then.

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