Shabbos Food

In the Jewish groceries they sell lima beans for shabbos, by themselves and in a “shabbos combo” with chickpeas. Does anyone have a recipe for those lima beans? I have searched Jewish cookbooks and cooking sites, and not found one.

I use a true “kedeira hafucha” on the blech, by placing an upside down 9×13 baking pan on the blech or an upside down pot (depending on how strong the flame is). I find that it warms (“mafig tzina”) but does not reach yad soldes – of the higher temperatures for y.s.. I also find that it won’t melt the sturdier plastic containers (the cheaper plastics may warp a bit). Experiment a bit what works for you.

I am very machmir about warming chicken or kugel that has moisture – I consider it bishul if it reaches y.s.

I am also very machmir on melting congealed liquids (as common on chicken or meats) – which I consider 100% ossur even if it does not reach y.s.

I know that many yidden are meikil on this, it creates a problem when my husband and I are invited to someone’s seuda and the food served was nisbashel on shabbos (according to chumra). People don’t even think about this halacha and simply wimp out on a real chashash chilul shabbos.

The food which is fully cooked, when taken of the refrigirator, should be left outside to warm up a little.

Laskern – PLEASE double check with your rav regarding cooking on Shabbos. I believe you are NOT permitted to put cold liquids on a hot plate and have it turn on on Shabbos. Also, and I don’t remember who wrote it above, I am pretty certain you can NOT heat congealed fat or margarine or any solid in a place where it will melt EVEN IF it will not get to YSB

Syag, you are correct, laskern had posted a suggestion that encourages chilul shabbos r”l.

and once again RG you use your favorite saying “wimp out” when you are machmir on something. you want to be machmir fine, but using a kulah does mean wimping out.

RG, כל הפוסל במומו פוסל Are you taking about yourself?

RG: im going off topic for a question to you. I peel a cucumber on shabbos with a vegetable peeler, will you eat it?

In context, laskern was referring to the congealed fat found on chicken and meat, and it is indeed permitted warm that up, according to some, in some circumstances.

As usual, RGP displays either am ha’aratzus or intentional distortion of the halacha, while insulting those who correctly disagree with him.

I honestly don’t think the mods should allow his posts.

DYת Thank you for standing up for me. If I am machmir and the person I am invited to as a guest is not, can I eat there? If someone is mekabel shabbos early, can he tell someone who has not, to do something for him?

?As usual, RGP displays either am ha’aratzus OR intentional distortion of the halacha, while insulting those who correctly disagree with him”…..

DY: Why is OR rather than AND…..in most cases he displays BOTH along with some variation of anti-Chabad blather and calling his critics apoikorsim….

In reality, there are so many great Shabbos afternoon meals that can be served cold, there is no reason to bother with a blech, worry about fire hazards, and having to become consult a food chemist regarding whether there is any congealed fat on the chicken or a small piece of uncooked meat in the cholent. Cold salads with room temperature grilled meats or smoked fish make a great lunch.

In reality, there are so many great Shabbos afternoon meals that can be served cold, there is no reason to bother with a blech

Yes there is. There is a long standing, universal minhag to have hot food on Shabbos day.

I jusr wanted to validate my view. We see that what RG is saying iis not correct as you can eat by someone not following your chumras. About eating hot, we want to show that we don’t follow the keroim about cooking on shabbos which was started erev shabbos.

laskern,
you said it is muttar,
then you brought the Ramo:
ויש מחמירין
ונהגו להחמיר
מיהו במקום צורך יש לסמוך אסברא ראשונה.

That means the Ramo holds it IS ossur and that is the custom of frum Yidden (to prohibit it), except when there is necessity one can be lenient (meikil) to allow it.

“and why if it doesn’t reach yad soledes are you considering it assur?”
Ask your rov. In this case, RGP is not wrong. There may be some who are meikel, but he isn’t making up a chumrah this time.

Also, Laskern, at the very least what you’re describing would probably be nolad. Particularly in your first post in which you didn’t clarify that you were talking about already-cooked foods, which gave the impression that you might have even been implying that you can put raw foods on a timer to go off on Shabbos. As for having cooked food that goes into Shabbos hot, gets cold during Shabbos, then gets reheated via timer, I would imagine if that were mutar then everyone would be doing it.

RG, according to you following the Beis Shamai is not wrong because there is a view like you.

Look at the Rabbenu Yonah on Brochos whether on who follows R’ Gamliel by Krias Shma, a small sukkah whether he is yotzei. Can the chazal take away a biblical mitzva? The Mishneh Lamelech (Rambam Hilchas Trumas 7:1) questions if a kohen is impure with a tuma derabonon and eats Truma is he chayev misoh?

C’mon Rebbetzin, you know very well that R’ Tarfon was told by the tanaim that he was mischayav benafsho for following the Bais Shammai ( Brachos, Mishne3).
Besides vapor, is it possible to slip something jolly into a hookah??… 🤣🤣🤣

DY, What do you think of putting room temperature food on a cool hot plate which later be turned on with a shabbos clock and will reach yad soledes bo?

Dies the food have liquid in it? What type of hot plate is it?

It’s probably not assur mei’kar hadin either way, but I’ve seen poskim say not to set a coffee maker for Shabbos morning because of zilzul Shabbos, and that may apply here as well.

Laskern, my answer here was not according to R’ Moshe.