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  • #604426

    Is there a source for wearing diffenrent shoes on shabbos? My husband tells me that all the halachois only refer to clothes but shoes are not included. and is there really a diffenrce between men and ladies?

    #1134464

    Sam2
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    The Tzitz Eliezer has a T’shuvah (I want to say at the beginning of Chelek 22 but I’m not positive) where he discusses if shoes count as a Begged. He doesn’t specifically discuss in regards to Shabbos, but that’s definitely a place to start. If I recall correctly, he would probably agree with your husband. However, the Minhag very clearly is to be Mechabed Shabbos with special shoes-especially someone who wears sneakers/loafers etc. during the week.

    #1134465

    Avi K
    Participant

    There is a machloket between the Korban HaEida and the Pnei Moshe as to how to read the Yerushalmi (Shabbat 6:2) that either says “it’s not the way of people to have two pairs of shoes” or “is it not the way of people to have two pairs of shoes?”

    Both the Ben Ish Hai (vol. 4 OC 13), the Kaf HaHaim (262:25) an the Tzitz Eliezer (7:2) say that they are not levush, the proof being that “malbish arumim” does not cover them (the Tzitz Eliezer says that levush is something that encircles the body). Rav Ovadia (Yalkut Yosef 262:6) also says that it is not necessary to have a special pair but it is sufficient to polish one’s shoes beforehand although one who has special shoes will receive a beracha.However, the Minhat Shabbat (72:71) says that it is necesssary, and this was the minhag of the Gra (Maaseh Rav 145) as did the Hazon Ish (Dinim v’Hanhagot meMaran HaHazon Ish 9:3). However, Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (VeAlehu Lo Yavul 1:137) and Rav Eliashiv (Ashrei Ish 2:5) did not.

    #1134466

    rabbiofberlin
    Participant

    Doesn’t the gemoro in shabbos (the daf escapes me now)say that rovo put on special “puzmankes’ (socks) for shabbos?

    #1134467

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    My Shabbos shoes are my only shoes.

    During the week, I wear black sneakers.

    The Wolf

    #1134469

    I WAS in the Golders green section of London recently for a shabbos and i am sure that i saw in one of the minhagim books there that boys until eleven years old should wear shoes with buckles, and from eleven slip on shoes, with a designer name, lechatchila tommy hilfiger.

    #1134470

    I think that Shabbos shoes were a relatively recent invention.

    I feel sometimes that the people who buy their kids Shabbos shoes are doing it for the wrong reasons, and so are those who don’t.

    BTW SAM2, where does your minhag come from? i’ve been doing a boy’s pirchim group for years, and loads of kids still don’t have them.

    #1134471

    TheGoq
    Participant

    Wolf, new balance?

    #1134472

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Wolf, new balance?

    As a matter of fact, yes.

    The Wolf

    #1134473

    TheGoq
    Participant

    I do new balance during the week too im so lazy i use the velcro.

    #1134474

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    I wear special purple crocs on Shabbos to match my purple Shabbos Suit. During the week I wear either my yellow, red, or green crocs.

    #1134475

    thanks everyone,especially Sam2 and avi. k

    #1134476

    goldersgreener
    Participant

    i personally think that there is more kavod Shabbos in polishing your shoes, than in having a different pair for Shabbos. (especially my children, where i would have to pay for the shoes.)

    BTW yeruhsalymer, i take offense, i am from GG, and my boys do NOT have shabbos shoes, buckles, tommy hilfiger or anything alse. And yes, brooklyn, i think girls are different, they should be more into their looks, and they run around less, so of course it makes sense to buy them an extra pair of shoes.

    BTW yerushalaymer again, if you really lived in yerushalayim you would have sent your son to “kaytana” with sandals not sneakers.

    #1134477

    There is a very choshuve litvishe kehilla in Englane where the old Rov, who was an Odom Godoil ad me’oid didn’t allow prents to buy shabbos shoes for boys before they were bar mitzvah, he felt it caused jealousy.

    i assumme that it does not have a mekoir in halacha.

    #1134479

    Sam2
    Participant

    ONPA: It’s what I’ve seen everywhere I’ve been. And I mean evreywhere. And little kids aren’t necessarily a proof.

    #1134480

    Moishe S
    Member

    Can anyone persuade my parents to buy me Shabbos shoes

    #1134481

    Moishe S
    Member

    No help anyone? My mother says that she “doesn’t beleive in them. Is she an apikoirus?

    #1134482

    SL1
    Member

    Moishe S: No your mother is not an apikoirus since shabbos shoes is not one of the fundamentals of yiddishkeit. If you want to convince her maybe tell her to look at Sam2 and Avi K’s posts.

    #1134483

    Toi
    Participant

    42- its funny you think thats entirely crazy, there is a guy in toronto who has hats to match his wacky suits. like green etc. no jokes.

    #1134484

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Is she an apikoirus?

    I find the fact that you’re even willing to consider the possibility that your mother is an apikorus simply on the grounds that she cannot/will not buy you Shabbos shoes to be odious, repugnant and thoroughly disrespectful.

    The fact that you’re willing to publicly consider it on a message board is all the worse.

    The Wolf

    #1134485

    Moishe S
    Member

    Wolf, I was joking. But you guys are way too serious for me.

    #1134486

    I wonder how many of you people have been here, because moost men here wear the same shoes on Shabbos.

    By the way, Moishe S, ask your mother if you can do some small jobs, etc… and maybe buy your own shoes.

    #1134487

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Wolf, I was joking

    Calling one’s parent an apikorus is not something to joke about. I’m all for a good sense of humor and fun, but there are some things that should not be joked about. Calling one’s parent an apikorus, even in jest, is one of them.

    The Wolf

    #1134488

    goldersgreener
    Participant

    Why don’t you move to Gateshead? (Or maybe E”Y).

    #1134489

    Sorry golders Greener, but why should he move to gateshead, according to you he can move to Golders Green for the same price. (unless he doesn’t want to have to walk around in socks every time he forgets his sneakers.)

    #1134490

    Anyway, Gateshead has a whole va’ad to decide who can live there. They might not welcome someone who is so megusham that he wants Shabbos shoes (and whose mother is a chashash apikoires.)!!!!

    #1134491

    Moishe S
    Member

    Any better ideas, anyone?

    #1134492

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    rabbiofberlin – The Gemara in Shabbos (10a) is talking about putting on special garments for davening.

    #1134493

    akuperma
    Participant

    It’s a mitzvah to wear your best clothes on Shabbos, so if you own more than one pair of shoes (not everyone does), one should wear the better one on Shabbos.

    #1134494

    OnlyTheTruth
    Member

    If you want to be a Machmer and be m’chabud/Honor the Holy Shabbos it would for sure be nice to have a special pair. If it looks not shabbosdig then it is probably not an honor. But your not a mechlul shabbos if thats all you can afford.

    I knew a person from Pre war Eroupe who even war a different Yarmeluka and and made sure never to wear pure black pant on shabbos. So it should be sepecial for Shabbos.

    That’s why many Rebbe’s wear White pants on shabbos. That you should see it’s different from a whole week.

    #1134495

    frummy in the tummy
    Participant

    I only have the one pair, but on Shabbos I call them Shabbos Shoes. Am I yotzei?

    #1134496

    goldenkint
    Member

    Rav Eliyashiv and Rav Shlomo Zalman Zatsal both lived very frugally and didnt have or spend money on extras. if you could polish your shoes to make them presentable for shabbos, fine. if you anyway have several pairs of shoes , then of course keep a pair special for Shabbos. as far as girls and women ,generally Shabbos shoes are less sturdy and prettier than strong everyday shoes. so its nice le’kavos shabbos to have them if you can afford it.

    #1134497

    Avi K
    Participant

    According to Kabbala one should wear at least four white garments and definitely not black (Shaar HaKavenot, Inyan Rechitzat Panav, Yadav v’Raglav d”h gam tzarich adam lilbosh bigdei lavan; Ben Ish Chai Halachot Year 2 Lech Lecha 18; Kaf HaChaim 262:26). However, the pashtanim disagree (Biur Halacha 262:2 d”h begadim naim and see Shabbat 147a).

    #1134498

    mrs. Katz
    Member

    Sorry to get involved moishy s, but i think if you offer your mother that for two weeks you will not do anything crazy in school, she might just agree to buy you about six pairs of shabbos shoes.

    #1134499

    goldersgreener
    Participant

    Purim Mashgiach, have you seen this stuff

    #1134500

    shabos shoes are like shtreimels, you don’t need a source, it’s just soemthing that everyone you know does.

    #1134501

    The more sensible question is what is the source for the colors. why do most people go for black?

    What abouit sock color? Does it depend on your grandfather’s hair? black, gray or white?

    #1134502

    I wear my shabbos shoes on weekday and weekday shoes on purim. Am i yoitzei?

    #1134503

    My grandmother’s spitzel is blue, I therefore wear navy socks.

    I’m trying to get socks to match her various tichels too, anyone who can help should please be in touch.

    #1134504

    mrs. Katz
    Member

    Is this gateshead business real?

    #1134505

    Shoe store assistant where are you. I was looing 4 SHABBOS SHOES and it was off the screen

    #1134506

    Just one more thread ….

    #1134507

    squeak
    Participant

    So you revived the shoe thread and the population growth thread. Just curious, do you sell more pairs of shoes in small sizes than in larger ones? If popular “theories” are correct you should be able to tell us about a noticeable difference in the number of size 2 shoes you sell each yomtif season vs. the number of size 5. Any truth to that?

    #1134508

    Any shoe store sells more shoes in smaller sizes, simply because children’s feet grow much faster at a younger age, they spend less time in a classroom and more time running around, and younger parents are more likely to buy their chioldren extra pairs – i.e. shabbos shoes, summer sandals, etc…

    #1134509

    rebdoniel
    Member

    I find that I need a dress-looking shoe that is also very comfortable for shabbos, since I frequently walk miles on shabbos for the sake of bikur cholim, etc.

    #1134510

    147
    Participant

    Michael Bloomberg has only had the same 2 pairs of shoes for the past 10 years. Does he keep 1 pair for Shabbos and 1 pair for weekdays? or is 6 days running in 1 pair of shoes, too long?

    My husband tells me that all the halachois only refer to clothes but shoes are not included

    Please ask your husband, if spectacles are also excluded from this Halocho?

    #1134511

    In order of price range:

    Crocs makes flats for women that are made from crocs material (don’t know about men… but most likely…).

    Clarks are very good for that purpose.

    Cole Haan has nike soles, but look fancy.

    #1134512

    rebdoniel
    Member

    Cole Haan are incredibly expensive.

    #1134513

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Not when you get them from Nordstrom Rack. ^_^

    #1134514

    that is why i mentioned them last…

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