June 23, 2013 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #609761
Hello everyone! I was just wondering if any of you use shabbos toothbrush and toothpaste on shabbos? If so, do u like it? I’m thinking of buying it but would like to get reviews from people before I buy it.June 23, 2013 10:39 pm at 10:39 pm #960992
I didnt see it in stores for a long long time, do they still sell it?June 23, 2013 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #960993
I use an ordinary non-electric toothbrush, with ordinary toothpaste. Not all poskim permit such; CYLOR.June 24, 2013 1:57 am at 1:57 am #960994
pinnym, yes they still sell it, they sell it in brooklyn/monsey stores… have u used it?June 24, 2013 2:58 am at 2:58 am #960995
I cannot fathom permitting ordinary toothpaste. It’s M’mareiach. Then again, I think that Shabbos toothpaste is also M’mareiach. And Shabbos toothpaste does not remove the P’sikas Neima or Uvda D’chol issues (P’sikas Neima is Pashtus no longer an issue with modern toothbrushes though). See the Minchas Yitzchak’s T’shuvah on this.June 24, 2013 3:22 am at 3:22 am #960996
Shabbos toothpaste is not paste. It is liquid, like mouthwash. I don’t see why one simply does not use mouthwash for the one day.June 24, 2013 3:24 am at 3:24 am #960997
frum not crumParticipant
you dont need toothpaste
put about 1 ounce of mouthwash into your mouth
start brushing your teeth with your dry toothbrush
this is a perfect solution to the problemJune 24, 2013 3:35 am at 3:35 am #960998
Frum not crum- is your username from somewhere?June 24, 2013 3:41 am at 3:41 am #960999
FNC: I still think that would pose issues of M’mareiach and Uvda D’chol. Just use mouthwash for 1 day.June 24, 2013 4:14 am at 4:14 am #961000
Charliehall- Why would you do something against the Halcha, especially if there are easy ways to comply WITH the Halahca??June 24, 2013 4:27 am at 4:27 am #961001
Charliehall- Why would you do something against the Halcha, especially if there are easy ways to comply WITH the Halahca??
That isn’t really fair. Charlie stated that not all poskim agree with this, and that he is following his poskim. I personally don’t know enough about the issue to know who holds what, but it is possible there are legitimate poskim who are matir.June 24, 2013 5:43 am at 5:43 am #961002
Well ayaya, she/he is probobly blocked or something since i clicked on her a few times, and each time it said : user not foundJune 24, 2013 8:24 am at 8:24 am #961003
I don’t see anything wrong with using a normal toothbrush on Shabbat.
Some say there is a hashash for causing bleeding; Seridei Esh (2:28) argues that one has to differentiate between an action that will definitely cause a forbidden result, which is a pesik reisheih and is forbidden, and an action that might cause a forbidden result, which is permitted. The Rema, in practice, paskens like this when it comes to brushing hair. the Rema allows one to brush with one’s fingers because that does not necessarily pull out hair. For most people, brushing teeth does not always cause bleeding and is therefore permissible like brushing one’s hair with one’s fingers.
R’ Soloveitchik, zt”l, and R’ Chaim Regensburg, both explicitly were matir using a toothbrush and toothpaste, and even rinsing out the toothbrush on Shabbat.
I personally do not brush on Shabbat, but will use mouthwash; Hakham Ovadia Yosef, yblct, paskens that one can use a toothbrush designated for Shabbat and not rinse the brush out afterwards, but I choose to be mahmir on this issue, since it involved possible issurei shabbat.June 24, 2013 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #961004
RD: Show me where R’ Soloveitchik was Mattir. Becaue I know R’ Schachter says it’s an Issur D’oraisa.June 24, 2013 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #961005
Ravdoniel,one could probably rinse the toothbrush out after brushing if the toothbrush was to be used again on that Shabbos.June 24, 2013 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #961006
Halakhic Positions of Rav Soloveitchik, by R’ Aharon Ziegler, Volume 4, pp. 85-86
“Reb Moshe includes toothpaste in the category of memareiach. Not so according to Rav Soloveitchik, who, based on a beraita in Shabbat 50a, which states that one may rub utensils to shine them on Shabbat, except for applying tartar to silver utensils, says that by the issur of memachek, it is prohibited only when the polishing will remove some layer of the substance. When brushing teeth, we are merely removing some particles or plaque from the tooth surface using a viscous substance that does not have enough density to hold together as a mass, and no shred of enamel is being removed from the teeth. Also, using toothpaste with a toothbrush is merely applying pressure to a substance and thereby flattening it, which is not memareiach.”
Thus, Rav Soloveitchik, zt”l, also held that one violates memareiach only when the newly smoothed layer remains on the surface. Since toothpaste is immediately washed away, leaving no residue on the surface of the teeth, there can be no issue of memareiach. When Rabbi Soloveitchik was told by a student that toothpaste advertisements claim that the toothpaste provides a
protective coating lasting for twenty four hours, he said that he was not convinced that there was any truth in the advertisements. Furthermore he pointed out that even if the advertisements were true, an invisible layer is not substantial enough to be recognized by the halachah (AhS YD 83:15 makes this last point).June 24, 2013 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #961007
If you are looking for this in stores, it may help to know that it is called “toothwash” as opposed to toothpaste.June 25, 2013 2:24 am at 2:24 am #961008
Cherrybim: The separate toothbrush is presumably to remove the Minchas Yitzchak’s Uvda D’chol issue, not a Hachanah issue (though I’d have to see the T’shuvah inside to be sure).June 25, 2013 3:28 am at 3:28 am #961009
Does R’ Schachter differ from the Rav on this issue, Sam?
I saw elsewhere that while Rav Ahron, zt”l, was matir going to the movies during the 3 weeks, his brother was mahmir. What do you say?
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