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  • #618005

    Okiale
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    I have just recently started davening shacharis in the morning but it seems very long including many parts preceding pesukei d zimra. Is there anything that can be excluded, especially when in a time crunch?

    Thanks

    #1160407

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    That’s terrific that you started davening Shacharis! May you continue to grow in your Yiddishkeit.

    Which parts do you already say?

    #1160409

    if you dont have too much time you can go straight from Brachos to Pesukei Dezimra & skip korbanos in between.

    please let us know how much time you have so we know how much you need to take off of davening to fit what you can into the possible time.

    #1160410

    Okiale
    Member

    Thanks everyone I try to say everything when I can but sometimes skip the pre pesukei thinks besides korbanos and katores. And i was just wondering in general not that I have a time constraint right now. Thanks

    #1160411

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Can you please be more specific about which things you say and which things you skip before P’sukei D’zimra?

    #1160412

    Okiale
    Member

    Well basically I don’t always do Locations and We are Your People. Also I daven out of a nusach sefard if that makes a difference

    #1160413

    147
    Participant

    sefard if that makes a difference It so absolutely makes a difference, because with exception of Long Tachnun on Mondays & Thursdays, Ashkenaz is shorter than Sefard, so if you are pressed for time, how about Davening Ashkenaz.

    #1160414

    Okiale
    Member

    Thanks 147 and to everyone else. I will get my hands on an Ashkenaz siddur asap.

    #1160415

    takahmamash
    Participant

    Someone long ago in the CR quoted a Rav who said, “The karbanot are not in the siddur because of a printing error.” I wish I knew who said that, because it’s so true.

    #1160416

    Geordie613
    Participant

    If one comes late to shachris, the first thing that is sacrificed, is Korbanos.

    #1160417

    takahmamash
    Participant

    If one comes late to shachris, the first thing that is sacrificed, is Korbanos.

    Attempted humor: 6/10

    One should not be coming late to shacharit, or any minyan, on a regular basis.

    #1160418

    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    In response to the OP – there are specific sections that are allowed to be skipped in extenuating circumstances, including when one is pressed for time. If you are in contact with an Orthodox Rabbi, I strongly suggest you raise this issue with him. If you are not able to do so, a basic English-language Halachic text may give some guidance – I know there is an English version of the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch out there, and I believe he may address this issue.

    Good luck,

    an Israeli Yid

    #1160419

    charliehall
    Participant

    “the first thing that is sacrificed, is Korbanos.”

    Love it!

    #1160420

    huju
    Participant

    To the opening poster: You skipped all of Shachris for years. Don’t worry about skipping the “right” or “skipable” parts now.

    #1160421

    Meno
    Participant

    Huju,

    Your advice doesn’t make much sense, and if I were in OP’s situation, I would find your comment discouraging, even if you meant well.

    #1160422

    Sam2
    Participant

    huju: That comment was probably meant to be nice, but can definitely be read as being exceptionally rude. Maybe you should clarify.

    #1160423

    miamilawyer
    Participant

    OP—If you Google “parts of shacharis that can be skipped” you will get many websites and at least you can see who the advice is coming from.

    #1160424

    ptcha
    Member

    As a “slow davener”, I regularly have this issue. I generally try to show up early. When I don’t show up early, I peek at the clock after Baruch Sheamar and evaluate what to say from there. I usually daven at Litvish Kollel with with a Yekkish RK, so you can set your clock to a 7:32 Yishtabach shimcha. One time, it happened at 7:34 and the everyone in the shul looked like it may well have been an hour late. Knowing your minyan is important.

    Before PdZ:

    the important things are all the brachos, first verse of shema, and korban TAMID. You can skip most other stuff.

    PdZ:

    At a bare minimum, you should be saying Baruch Sheamar, Ashrei, and Yishtabach. If you find you regularly have time left over, add the five Hallelu tehillim. The important thing is to NOT RUSH. When you rush, all you’re doing is depriving yourself of actually learning the davening. Focus on one verse at a time, then add more as you become more fluent.

    When in doubt consult a competent rabbi, who you can trust to give you the right answer for you.

    Mazel tov on your growth. It gets besser.

    #1160425

    huju
    Participant

    My comment was meant to show the irony of someone – including me – who did not learn the word “shachris” until middle age and worries too much about the details. There are simple answers to these questions, and you can ask any rabbi for guidance. Some siddurs even provide a guide in the introductory texts, or print the most important portions in larger fonts.

    #1160426

    Meno
    Participant

    Huju,

    The fact that you were in a similar situation doesn’t justify your rude comment.

    It’s a wonderful thing that he wants to do it the right way. Why would you discourage him?

    #1160427

    Geordie613
    Participant

    Thanks Charlie, and Takah.

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