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  • August 31, 2012 3:53 am at 3:53 am #604737
    beheimish
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    Help please!! I recently started shaving the bottom of my neck with a razor and I need to know where you can use a razor till. Is it the jawbone? Does anyone else use a razor? Does anyone know the Halacha??? Please advise

    August 31, 2012 3:57 am at 3:57 am #894592
    Sam2
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    Based on the Psak of the Shulchan Aruch, we avoid shaving the entire throat with a razor.

    August 31, 2012 4:05 am at 4:05 am #894593
    beheimish
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    What exactly does the shulchan aruch say?

    August 31, 2012 4:22 am at 4:22 am #894594
    beheimish
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    Somebody once told me the following :

    In my humble opinion, the lower neck is muttar l’chatchilah.

    The Mechaber paskens (181:11) that since there are varying opinions in the Rishonim as to the locations of the ??? ????, a ??? ???? should not use a razor on his beard at all. The ??? adds “and even below the throat,” which seemingly answers your query, and not like me!

    However, see the Beis Yosef which is the source of this halacha (?”? ???? ?”? ???”?) where he cites R’ Yonah that below the throat does not present a problem of ??? ????. However, he says that one still may not do so because of the issur of ?????? ????.

    Take a look in the next siman where the Rema writes that the specific ?????? ???? which are mentioned by chazal such as shaving certain areas of the body are muttar l’chatchilah for men in societies where it is the norm for men to remove the hair in those areas. In ???? ? where the Mechaber says it is assur for a man to look into a mirror R’ Akiva Eiger says that the norm of the non-Jews determines the norm for us in this halacha. If the norm by the goyim is for the men to do it, it is not ?????? ????.

    Being that I think everyone will agree that it is the norm in our society for men to shave their lower necks, and for non-Jews to do it with a razor, I think that the second half of R’ Yonah quoted by the Beis Yosef does not apply today, and neither does the ???.

    Therefore, ??? ?????? ???? ??????, and it is muttar for a man to use a razor on his lower neck.

    Of course this is just ??????? ????? as I am not qualified to pasken.

    August 31, 2012 4:26 am at 4:26 am #894595
    Sam2
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    He says don’t shave the throat with a razor.

    August 31, 2012 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm #894596
    working harder
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    I asked my posek who told me the neck/throat is fine with a razor just as when you go to the barber he uses a razor on the back of the neck.

    HOWEVER, when a asked if i can go higher like where the double chin (i know i know not everyone has one but we all know what i mean)He said nowhere on the face even far from the “corners”

    August 31, 2012 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #894597
    WIY
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    working harder

    So definitely anywhere from about the middle of the adams apple is already a problem. Basically it doesnt sound like a good idea to get involved with a razor because its very easy to go too far…

    September 3, 2012 2:59 am at 2:59 am #894598
    Sam2
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    Beheimish: After looking over the Sugya I have to completely agree with what you said. Although how low on the neck is still a matter of Machlokes.

    September 4, 2012 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #894599
    mik5
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    Rav Moshe muttars shaving with an electrical razor.

    September 4, 2012 5:59 pm at 5:59 pm #894600
    beheimish
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    mik5: We are not talking about electrical

    September 4, 2012 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #894601
    beheimish
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    where can i see a diagram?

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