Shaving on Friday???

yeah, i heard that too

pretty clear in mishna berurah, hilchos sefira. Why rely on fuzzy memory if one can check it out. Muttar

There are poskim that say that if you normally shave for shabbos then you can shave on fridays during the omer.

One Is allowed to shave any time on friday as long as it is L’Kavod Shabbos. (As the words of my rebbe)

“One Is allowed to shave any time on friday as long as it is L’Kavod Shabbos. (As the words of my rebbe)”

The implication from the Rema that I just cited would seem to be that on a regular Friday you cannot shave i.e. there’s a special heter for the friday of lag baomer.

PAA: When the Rama says L’histaper, he means a haircut. Everyone had beards back then anyway. So there’s not such a lack of Kavod Shabbos if a beard is a bit unkempt after a month without trimming it.

However, nowadays when people are clean-shaven, there is certainly a P’gam in Kavod Shabbos if one has a scraggly quasi-beard that just looks awful. Those Poskim who allow shaving every Friday during Sefira don’t think they’re arguing on the Rama. They say the Rama is talking about a different Metzius. Ain Hachi Nami, they hold that people with beards cannot trim them on Fridays L’kavod Shabbos.

Sam2:

And is there such a pegam in kavod shabbos if you don’t get a haircut? Does anyone get a haircut every Friday? There are probably many people who go a month without haircutting. Now maybe ain hachi nami if you normally don’t get a haircut every month then you can’t rely on this heter.

I actually heard someone explain that most people misunderstand the ??”?. He wouldn’t actually approve of our ???? to shave on ??? ??? when ?”? ????? is on Sunday. There is no ??? to shave on ?”? ?????, it’s just that you’re allowed to, but you don’t have to. So why shave on ??? ???? If you’re worried about ?????, don’t shave on Sunday, shave later in the week, no reason to violate ?????.

When the ??”? said you can shave on ??? ??? when ?”? ????? falls on Sunday, he was going ????? that the ??????? of ????? begin on ??? ???? and go to ?????. In this case, you don’t have the option of shaving later in the week, so there is a ???? to shave on ??? ??? so that you don’t shave right after ???. But most of us who end the ??????? of ????? on ?”? ????? wouldn’t be able to use that ???? because we could avoid the ????? by just shaving later in the week.

@popa_bar_abba

Did Rema have a copy of the Maharil?

If yes, isn’t it odd that he would get that so wrong?

When the Rema says you can haircut on Friday for k’vod shabbos, if that were the only reason,then you would be able to haircut every Shabbos during Sefira – L’kvod Shabbos. And if it was because haircutting on Sunday is Bizayon Shabbos, then it should be Assur all year long. So the Rema‘s reasoning of K’vod Shabbos must be like the Maharil, and is coupled with the fact that you were unable to shave on Lag-B’omer Sunday since the Christians forbade it, and therefore you can shave on the Friday before, L’kvod Shabbos not to force a Minhag on people more than the bare minimum, as @sam2 said.

@popa_bar_abba

And why didn’t the Rema just say you can’t shave on lag b’omer either when it falls on Sunday? What mitzva is there to davka shave on lag b’omer?

@simcha613 forgot to mention, that the Rema holds that the Talmidim of Rabi Akiva died from Rosh Chodesh to Shavuos excluding all the days of Rosh Chodesh, Lag Baomer, and 3 days of Hagbala . You add them up they come to 33 days (i probably missed a day or 2) but the idea is that according to everyone, no one died on Lag Baomer, so even if you shaved on Friday you can do it again Sunday. this should answer all ur qs.

@sam2

So, R’ Schachter says, nowadays there is no reason to permit haircuts on Sundays.

I’m sure R’ Shachter was refering to the Mishna B’rura and what we call ‘the first half and second half of Sefira, and not the Rema’s Shita per se, because no one holds of this Rema nowadays.

(I assume he is unaware that some states still have these laws and it’s possible that if you live in such a state that you could get a haircut on Friday)

I doubt that would be the case with Sunday closing laws, because you can always shave or take a haircut yourself.

Ur always allowed to shave on Friday because it’s special for Shabbos

Pixelate: One slight point. I think that if you hold “second half” of Sefira, you are not mourning for R’ Akiva’s Talmidim. You are mourning the slaughter of Ashkenaz in the Crusades.

As “Patur Aval Assur” pointed out, that is the source and the note to that Mekor appears from the Mahari”v, not the Mahari”l as “Daas Yochid” pointed out. Of course, this applies to Ashkenazim as Sephardim have to wait until Monday morning (LaD/34 Omer) to have haircuts.

It appears that the real reason IMHO to permit haircuts on Friday would be that if a person waited until Sunday morning, he would in effect be “slapping Shabbos in the face”, by trimming for a minor holiday and not trimming for (at the very least Chashivus of) Shabbos.

Also, since the influence of any Yom Tov or Shabbos can be ‘felt’ from the Mincha of the day before (as no Tachanun is said), then in theory, a haircut would be ‘permitted’ on Saturday afternoon, but of course that is a Biblical prohibition to say the least, so the two factors seem to point to the heter of Friday haircuts.

It seems to me (to be yotzei all the Deos, aside from waiting until the 49th day as the Ariza”l points out), that a person could have a haircut at the last possible moment on Sunday late afteroon, since he would not be “slapping Shabbos in the face” by waiting until the day (Lag Baomer) would come to an end and at the same time it would still be halachically Lag Baomer. Best of course to check with your local orthodox Rav.

I think kavod shabbos and (avoiding) bizuy shabbos are two different things. It is kavod for shabbos to be clean shaven. It is a bizayon to shabbos if you shave right after shabbos. In fact all year round people don’t shave/haircut after shabbos.

Also, see Biur HaGr”a, who says it’s based on the Gemara in Moed Katan, 17b.

However, R’ Schachter points out that the Rama’s source (I think it’s a Maharil) is explicit that the reason isn’t Kavod Shabbos. The reason is that the Christians would not let anyone get haircuts on Sundays

The Mahari”v I saw did not say this.

@Aaron_Chaim, @DaasYochid,

I couldn’t find any mention of the Mahariv in the sources you gave, but the parenthesis next to the Rema (of haircutting Friday if Sunday is Lag) says the source is form the Maharil.

@Sam2

I think that if you hold “second half” of Sefira, you are not mourning for R’ Akiva’s Talmidim. You are mourning the slaughter of Ashkenaz in the Crusades.

R’ Moshe (??”? ?”? ??’ ??”?) says that according to all Shittos, the reason is for Talmidei Rabi Akiva, and that’s why there’s no problem of ?? ??????? when different people keep different days.

Pixelate, yes, there is what appears to be a typo in some editions of S.A., which is why Sam mixed it up as well. Go check the sources, though.

What about shaving on Thursday night ?