Sheitels are now BANNED!!!

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  • #1914604
    Tachles1
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    #1914639
    Gadolhadorah
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    And so??? Those who held by sheitels before the “ban” will continue wearing and those who didn’t won’t . I don’t see many women rushing to burn $3,000 sheitels because some Rav decided they were used in avodah zorah. They will follow their own common sense and the advice of their local rav/posek.

    #1914717
    rational
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    We went through this about 10 years ago or so. BIg scare, lots of sheitels burned, then return to normal. It’s nothing new. Sefardim tend to asser sheitels, Ashkenazim generally permit them, and some even prefer them halachically. Nothing new here.

    #1914771
    akuperma
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    The only issue of “tonsuring” would occur traditionally with Christian monks where the haircut was part of becoming a monk. There is no tradition of objecting to people selling their hair for money based on what they wanted to use the money for (whether it was to buy food, or give to the poor, or donate to an avodah zarah). If we object to someone doing something to earn money in order to donate the money to avodah zarah, it would be very difficult to ever hire or buy things from non-Jews, since by doing business with them, we would be indirectly supporting their avodah zarah (or other nefarious practices).

    #1914806
    Toi
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    The basic idea (this case actually not included) is that there are people who have an agenda and want something ‘assured’ and have to wait until the gadol hador who was mattir it dies so they can stir it up again. Sheitels, worms in fish, checking for certain treifos+shots in chickens, the list goes on. As usual, it will die down soon. Chill people.

    #1914809
    Reb Eliezer
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    Tosfas says that christianity is not a’z as they follow their customs.

    #1914826
    Tachles1
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    So it seems as though those still supporting wearing a sheitel are merely posek shopping. The Chief Rabbi was 100% clear that ALL sheitels are trief. There is nothing wrong with wearing a tickel; moreover, that has the added benefit of saving lots of money.

    #1914916
    yitzchokm
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    TACHLES,

    It’s amazing that you discount the values tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews because some Rabbi said something.

    Chief Rabbi of what?

    YoYou can speak about the length of certain wigs etc, that it may be not tznuah. the same can be said about certain skirts. But the use of them in general? Is R Chaim wrong for allowing it? R moshe?

    #1914966
    se2015
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    To be clear he was opposed to sheitels on tznius grounds. This is an additional reason.

    #1914964
    Toi
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    Methinks Tachles is either a very bitter man with some very bitter experiences, a kookoo kanoi bt with a very narrow perspective in Judaism, or a troll.

    #1914990
    Gadolhadorah
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    Toi: They are not mutually exclusive

    #1915007
    Tachles1
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    @yitzchokm
    He’s not just “some Rabbi.”
    He’s Chief Rabbi of Israel, Rav Yitzchok Yosef shlita, and is very concerned about klal yisrael.

    @yitzchokm and @toi do you consider yourselves a greater posek than him?

    #1915008
    bored guy
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    writing shaitel in the coffee room, is like putting liver in between 2 dogs. having said that. i’m a man and i’m one hundred percent behind sheitels. don’t be scared to say the halacha even if it makes you look bad. the torah was created before the world so the torah defines the world, not your feelings. so the only way to know the answer is to ask your rav or become a posek. good luck. ps learning daf yomi does not make you a posek.

    #1915154
    yitzchokm
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    Tachles1
    Sorry to brake it to you, being chief rabbi is a political appointment.

    R. Chaim et al. stands shoulders above him

    #1915199
    rational
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    The idea that current poskim can change the way women cover their hair is ludicrous. Women have been wearing all sorts of sheitels for hundreds of years. The changes are driven by culture and peer pressure and not by poskim. So it’s childish to play the “my posek is bigger than your posek” game. Sheitels, long, short, highlights and without, human and synthetic, are all here to stay until the hair stylists change what will be on the market.

    #1915201
    Toi
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    No Tachles, that would be dumb, I am but some random dude on the internet. But R’ Yosef shlita, with all his torah knowledge and political appointments, does not come close in psak to great poskim who preceded him, and disagreed with him. Just wondering if R Lau and R Yosef disagree on a psak, will you spontaneously combust?

    #1915287
    CTLAWYER
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    How many times have we seen things banned because ordinary people can’t afford them?

    In the general economic downturn of the Pandemic World, a multi-thousand dollar sheitel is an expense many cannot afford. Rather than have husbands telling wives: ‘we can’t afford this’ some posek issurs the item.

    #1915312
    2scents
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    CTL,

    Is your statement factual or just an assumption?

    Because you are accusing Rabbonim of having alternative reasons for their rulings.

    #1915359
    Gadolhadorah
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    I doubt R’ Yosef has a financial interest in טיכל.com. If you were to do a survey in the varbeshe section of a Sephardeshe shul, you would find fewer sheitels than in a corresponding Litvish shul, but that has long been the case. The trend towards taking a second mortagge to purchase an expensive sheitel IS a relatively newer minhag but even then, I doubt R’Yosef was taking the economic issue into consideration.

    #1915465
    Reb Eliezer
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    Wearing a wig without any covering, specially if it looks like regular hair, is an argument between the Shiltei Hagiborim and the Beer Sheva 19, Magen Avraham on SA O’CH 75,2 See the Sefer Hakeser Vehakavod Lechai Alomim.

    #1915464
    CTLAWYER
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    @2Cents
    Not an assumption, an observation

    We have seen Rabbanim Issur weddings of more than a certain size or costs, had designer eyewear banned in schools that already had uniforms, etc.

    #1915503
    Lostspark
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    What do I do? I just spent $2,300 on a sheitel for my wife?!?

    #1915637
    2scents
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    CTL,

    The example you mentioned does not support your observation.

    Because in that instance the explanation for the ruling or recommendation was for financial reasons.

    Yet, your accusing rabbonim for having alternative reasons, other than the ones they have expressed.

    #1915751

    @Lostspark: I just spent $2,300 on a sheitel

    Not taking the sides in this hair-raising machloket, just a practical suggestion if you consider being machmir in this avoda zara a priority: borrow an esrog for several years (savings, say, $150, $50 for a kid per year, use your own numbers going forward), sell your black hat, spend vacation with grandparents (post-covid), teach one kid at home instead of private school. You might even have money left for a couple of nice tichels!

    #1915995
    Gadolhadorah
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    ” I just spent $2,300 on a sheite…”

    You could have instead purchased a $19 tichel for your wife and used the remaining $2,281 to purchase a lovely Calabrian Esrog for each of the next 2 or 3 years. Everything is relative when it comes to your hashkafah and perspective on hidur mitzvah.

    #1916454
    KGN
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    Note: If your wife wants to wear the non-wig headcovering, let he do so.

    #1918251
    Tachles1
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    $2300 for a sheitel equals a lot of tichels/snoods, and gives a mitzvah every second!!!

    #1918304
    opinionated-2
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    Are lace front sheitels assur?

    #1918305
    opinionated-2
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    Does anyone know how to edit a post that I posted

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