February 17, 2017 12:15 am at 12:15 am #619274
Why is it pronounced Shemona-Esrey.
It sounds more like eight and ten separately* instead of 18
*if Esrey means a possessive sort of 10 but still 10 respectively
Thank youFebruary 17, 2017 3:13 am at 3:13 am #1217579catch yourselfParticipant
“Shemonah asar” would mean 18.
“Aseres” would be 10 connected to the next word, as in “Aseres b’nei Haman.”
“Shemonah Esrei” is 18 connected to the next word (“Berachos”), which we habitually leave out.February 17, 2017 3:41 am at 3:41 am #1217580
So it’s def pronounced as two different words, with an intentional pause between Shemonah Aseres?
You you catch yourselfFebruary 17, 2017 5:48 am at 5:48 am #1217581catch yourselfParticipant
The Amida is referred to by the Mishna as ???? ???? ?????. Most definitely three separate words.February 22, 2017 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #1217582Avi KParticipant
Lightbrite, why should it be one word? Shmenoneh esrei is the feminine form of eighteen (“beracha” is feminine). Shemona asar is masculine. It is not possessive as the brachot do not belong to someone or something. It is a Hebrew grammatical form call “semichut” which joins two words. For example, “bet sefer”, “battei sefer” which join “bayit” (“battim”) and “sefer”.
BTW, for what is is worth in French it is “dix-huit” (lit. “ten-eight”).February 22, 2017 2:02 pm at 2:02 pm #1217583
Dix-huit I would still consider one word. It’s hyphenated but one word.
I never really thought about Hebrew not having hyphens.
Thank youFebruary 22, 2017 3:00 pm at 3:00 pm #1217584akupermaParticipant
Since we’ve been pronouncing it that way since before they added the 19th brachah, so the grammatical reasons for it are less important than the fact that is a well established customFebruary 22, 2017 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #1217585Avi KParticipant
Akuperma, there was a certain shul where everyone did a dip at a certain place during the hakafot. They told the new rav who asked about it that it was a well-established custom. He checked the shul records and discovered that nce there was a low-hanging chandelier over that place.
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