Shemona Esrey pronunciation

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    Lightbrite
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    Why is it pronounced Shemona-Esrey.

    It sounds more like eight and ten separately* instead of 18

    *if Esrey means a possessive sort of 10 but still 10 respectively

    Thank you

    #1217579

    catch yourself
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    “Shemonah asar” would mean 18.

    “Aseres” would be 10 connected to the next word, as in “Aseres b’nei Haman.”

    “Shemonah Esrei” is 18 connected to the next word (“Berachos”), which we habitually leave out.

    #1217580

    Lightbrite
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    So it’s def pronounced as two different words, with an intentional pause between Shemonah Aseres?

    You you catch yourself

    #1217581

    catch yourself
    Participant

    The Amida is referred to by the Mishna as ???? ???? ?????. Most definitely three separate words.

    #1217582

    Avi K
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    Lightbrite, why should it be one word? Shmenoneh esrei is the feminine form of eighteen (“beracha” is feminine). Shemona asar is masculine. It is not possessive as the brachot do not belong to someone or something. It is a Hebrew grammatical form call “semichut” which joins two words. For example, “bet sefer”, “battei sefer” which join “bayit” (“battim”) and “sefer”.

    BTW, for what is is worth in French it is “dix-huit” (lit. “ten-eight”).

    #1217583

    Lightbrite
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    Dix-huit I would still consider one word. It’s hyphenated but one word.

    I never really thought about Hebrew not having hyphens.

    Thank you

    #1217584

    akuperma
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    Since we’ve been pronouncing it that way since before they added the 19th brachah, so the grammatical reasons for it are less important than the fact that is a well established custom

    #1217585

    Avi K
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    Akuperma, there was a certain shul where everyone did a dip at a certain place during the hakafot. They told the new rav who asked about it that it was a well-established custom. He checked the shul records and discovered that nce there was a low-hanging chandelier over that place.

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