December 31, 2013 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm #611719
I heard from a NASI member who was emailed today from NASI, that the NASI program is no more and money invested will be returned and a new program will be introduced.
Does anyone know why NASI finally decided to fold, and what the new program that theyre planning on introducing, will be like?
I give the NASI organization credit for being honest about it.December 31, 2013 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #998049miritchkaMember
Wow! I’m surprised but I’m also not surprised. I wonder what the reasoning for this is…I guess we’ll have to wait and see.December 31, 2013 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #998050
Is it because they realized the age gap is nonsense?December 31, 2013 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #998051
More likely because people weren’t willing to put down that kind of money, and there was limited publicity because people weren’t doing it.December 31, 2013 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #998052
Go say that to the older single girls that have not gone out in months!December 31, 2013 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #998053
Imho, the age gap might have been ONE factor in causing the problem, but theres no way you can do anything about it. Guys and their mothers decide what they want.
Most of those who invested in NASI were older girls, who are very hard to find Shidduchim for. At that age everone has already heard of all the available names out there. The Shadchan potentially making a killing when he/she makes a Shidduch, isnt going to change the singles’ interest in a date with someone, if theyre not interested.December 31, 2013 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #998054
They should have asked angvir for advice.December 31, 2013 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #998055
That doesn’t mean NASI folded, just this particular program.
I actually think the reason it didn’t succeed is because people perceived it as a slight to older girls.
In other words, Medium Size Shadchan was right.December 31, 2013 6:14 pm at 6:14 pm #998056
I actually think the reason it didn’t succeed is because people perceived it as a slight to older girls.
It might help them to be perceived as slight.December 31, 2013 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #998057
I feel very bad for the girls who have to weight.December 31, 2013 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #998058yitzchokmParticipant
Not niceDecember 31, 2013 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #998059
What a shame that such a beautiful organization closed down .December 31, 2013 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #998060SayIDidIt™Participant
DY: Thanks for the laugh!!
SiDi™December 31, 2013 7:06 pm at 7:06 pm #998061
Come on yiddin lets sing a niggun:
Utzu eitzah v’sufahr…December 31, 2013 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #998062
I’m not sure what there is to laugh at ? Are denying that there is a shidduch crisis ?December 31, 2013 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #998063
Yes, squeak, ubiquitin, and WIY (who am I forgetting?) don’t think there’s a shidduch crisis.December 31, 2013 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #998064
Whoa DY! I never said that
Just that the “age gap” is not THE cause(I’m not convinced it is even A cause but am willing to concede that point
PS Your comment was funnyDecember 31, 2013 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #998065apushatayidParticipant
people were getting confused by all the messages coming out. turns out shadchanim were setting up 20 year old guys with 30 year old girls. perhaps once they hit the reset button and come out with a clear and unambiguous message more people would get on board.December 31, 2013 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #998066
DY- Way to misrepresent the facts! Howsabout you stick to speaking for your own self.December 31, 2013 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #998067
Ubiquitin and squeak, you’re right, we’ve only disagreed about the cause and/or definition, not whether it exists. Sorry.
Squeak, other than cynicism, I don’t think you’ve shared with us your take on the cause or definition of the “shidduch crisis”.December 31, 2013 9:25 pm at 9:25 pm #998068GM1Member
The ‘Age Gap’ is one of the main causes! My father, an actuary, was very involved with NASI in developing the Age Gap Theory. He has done extensive research on the topic and has put together many articles and lengthy reports proving every minor detail involved with the theory. One day when he retires and has the time, he will publish his work.December 31, 2013 9:58 pm at 9:58 pm #998070shulMember
Which program is closing?
What happened to the program that was going to stop the boys from going to EY until they grew up, uh got married?December 31, 2013 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #998071
No, I have. I just didnt repeat myself every time az rolled out the age gap train. The shidduch crisis is almost definitely a result of unrealistic expectations and standards, coupled with a lack of self awareness and or self honesty on the part of most 20 something year olds.
I dont have a horse in the race so its easy to be more passionate about this than me and drown out my opinions. But its not as though I dont have any. In this case, my beef was with the manipulation and force feeding on the part of az and his ilk, and really had nothing to do with the specific theory under discussion.December 31, 2013 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #998072
GM1 tell your father to email me even one report in its rawest form. Mods can handle the routing. Not that i am qualified to agree or disagree with it (though i know people who i could show it to and ask) but i dont believe any such thing exists. The only work or data that i have been allowed to see was phony balony extrapolation based on unreliable (fundamentally broken) data. No actuary or mathematician has been willing to show his face or name in connection with any write up or presentation, and for good reason.
Now show me youre not bluffing.December 31, 2013 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #998073Torah613TorahParticipant
I do believe that this is an appropriate place to plug my thread, which is the top Google result for “Shidduch crisis theory”: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/bread-theory-of-the-shidduch-crisisDecember 31, 2013 10:36 pm at 10:36 pm #998074YW Moderator-127Moderator
GM1, this mod will take care of routing a report to squeak.December 31, 2013 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #998075
The NASI Project is B”H very alive and very well and is continuing with its activities of the last 6 plus years.
One program that started two years ago has run it’s course and was thus discontinued.December 31, 2013 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #998076
Thanks Achashverosh!December 31, 2013 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #998077
In that case az, i look forward to singing utzu eitzah v’sufahr again on each “activity” individually.December 31, 2013 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #998078
AZ, my friend!
I spoke to a close friend this morning who had MUCHO BUCKSO invested in NASI, who got an email this morning saying shed be getting back all her money because the Nasi Program is no longer functioning, and a new program is being designed…..
Who here has comprehension problems?
She was sort of happy/sad that she’d be getting all her money back (happy) but all her dreams dashed (sad).
AZ, my friend, can you clarify?December 31, 2013 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #998079
Not sure what is not to understand. In the last 6 plus years NASI has been involved in many different efforts to alleviate the difficult shidduch situation. ONE program that was created (and generated a lot of silly talk in the media) was started two years ago. That program is being discontinued now- having run it’s course.
For thoose who like numbers. That program generated over 200 dates, the average age of the young women getting set up was over 27 years old, and there were 5 engagements directly from that program. Including a few young women who had been dating a very very long time.
All other efforts of the NASI Project are still active as the project stays true to it’s mission to continue to do whatever it can to alleviate the difficult shidduch situation.
(one program for example are the various community based programs that have generated close to 2000 different dates, average age of the young women is 24 years old, 360 plus young women have dated seriously and well over 100 engagements via the program- and the young women and their families aren’t even aware of the programs.)
If you read this weeks newspapers, you will see evidence of other efforts that are underway.
The program that was discontinued- had simply run its course.
And of course all funds are being returned having been carefully safe guarded and untouched.December 31, 2013 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #998080
AZ, I constantly read how Shadchanus money paid in advance and held in escrow is the MAIN fuel and key to the success of Nasi, and therefore so crucial to be paid, if the money advantage to the Shadchanim, is no more, what will be the attraction to the Shadchanim now?December 31, 2013 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #998081
GM1, moderator 127
I would love one too please!December 31, 2013 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #998082
AZOLis: it is clear that you are very unaware of what NASI has done is doing or is planning on doing.
The program of money in advance in escrow etc was the smallest piece of what the Project was doing and continues to do.
If you would like to get involved in the project feel free to contact them and offer your assistance, i’m sure they’d be glad to take you up on your offer.January 1, 2014 12:26 am at 12:26 am #998083
Squeak, how do “unrealistic expectations and standards, coupled with a lack of self awareness and or self honesty on the part of most 20 something year olds” explain the disparity in the numbers of males vs. females in the shidduch parsha? Or are you denying that there is such a disparity?January 1, 2014 1:58 am at 1:58 am #998084
DY- of course, the premise is flawed. The disparity as you refer to it is an illusion. It’s not a numbers problem but a selection problem.January 1, 2014 2:20 am at 2:20 am #998085
Please explain your theory .January 1, 2014 2:25 am at 2:25 am #998086golferParticipant
In last week’s parsha we learned,
Chaval al d’avdin …
So I’m wondering why that’s not part of the title of this thread.January 1, 2014 2:57 am at 2:57 am #998087147Participant
NASI was so on Target, and it would be a tragedy of unbelievable proportions, if NASI went down & under.
I know several people whom I am extremely close to, whose wives are older than they, and their sons are dating girls older than they.
NASI:- We need you!! Please continue being active during 2014 and beyond!!January 1, 2014 3:15 am at 3:15 am #998088
It’s like a bakery. Everyone wants the french baguette, but eventually even the round challah roll gets bought.January 1, 2014 3:20 am at 3:20 am #998089
147- NASI (thankfully) isn’t disappearing- A quick glance at this weeks newspapers should make that very obvious.January 1, 2014 3:23 am at 3:23 am #998090🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
my husband is more like a chocolate chip cookieJanuary 1, 2014 3:27 am at 3:27 am #998091
Squeak, the equation goes (approximately): Avg. 5 kids per family = 3.3% annual population growth. 3.3% annual population growth + 3 yearcage gap = 10% disparity. Which fact(s) or equation(s) do you disagree with?
For my part, I don’t disagree that sociological factors can make the problem look worse than it actually is, but I think there is a fundamental demographic issue.
Golfer and 147, read AZ’s post. NASI is still around, they just closed one program.
Popa, that’s true unless there are enough baguettes for everyone, in which case the challah rolls will remain unsold. That’s why that analogy was never a good one.January 1, 2014 3:29 am at 3:29 am #998092mazal77Participant
You want more, boys?? They ARE out there. but we have to get going on Kiruv and bring the boys back into the fold. You want more boys, then we need to teach them a parnassah so they can support their future families. Getting boys to date earlier is not the solution. Helping the boys try to find an income and giving them confidence would work wonders. How is a 20 year old boy ready to get married?? How is he suppose to support a wife and kids. In today’s day and age both husband and wife, in most cases need to work. Unless the parents are willing to support, but how can the parents support all their married kids, when they have single children at home?? How are single parents suppose to support married kids, when they are already struggling. I keep saying it, but the emphasis on the boys in most Yeshivas is to get them learning, where in most cases, the boys should not be there full time. They are concentrating on the rare masmid, and the other boys get lost in the shuffle and pay. There is nothing wrong with our boys working. There should be Yeshivas, that teach a trade as well, part time and learn the other half. Unless the current situation changes, most boys will look for girls, with families who are willing to support the couple, and those type of families are far and few.January 1, 2014 4:53 am at 4:53 am #998093oyyoyyoyParticipant
sorry but most guys at least five yr learners are fine. not the problem.January 1, 2014 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm #998094
Popa, that’s true unless there are enough baguettes for everyone
No, that would just cause a redefinition of who is a baguette and who is a challa roll.January 1, 2014 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #998095
No, that would just cause a redefinition of who is a baguette and who is a challa roll.
I’m assuming there are enough baguettes for everyone, plus some extra challah rolls, and that everyone just buys one roll (if more people would be solution oriented as you are, and buy multiple rolls, there wouldn’t be as many left over).January 1, 2014 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #998096
Maybe it would help if everyone bought day old rolls instead.January 1, 2014 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm #99809710-LuchosParticipant
Perhaps the program was shut because people woke up the the fact that “Just pay them and things will work out” doesn’t work.January 1, 2014 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #99809810-LuchosParticipant
>>For thoose who like numbers. That program generated over 200 dates, the average age of the young women getting set up was over 27 years old, and there were 5 engagements directly from that program. Including a few young women who had been dating a very very long time.<<
You really want us to believe that there is NO WAY of these FIVE engagements happening over TWO YEARS had it not been for you, er, the NASI program?
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