December 21, 2012 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #941704nfgo3Member
Veltz Meshugener’s first comment is, undoubtedly, the best comment ever in the Coffee Room.March 29, 2013 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #941705The Kanoi Next DoorMember
And chassidishY.U.type’s first comment (third on the page) is possibly the best troll post in the CR.October 24, 2017 7:33 am at 7:33 am #1388857JosephParticipant
There’s a new article by a MO teenager named Eitan Gross entitled “Modern Orthodoxy from a Teenager’s Perspective” that’s definitely worth a read.October 24, 2017 12:22 pm at 12:22 pm #1389093
There’s got to be a better way for you to feel good about yourself than putting down the MO.October 24, 2017 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #1389097Avram in MDParticipant
There’s got to be a better way for you to feel good about yourself than putting down the MO.
Well, there’s always putting down women. And Zionists. And liberals. And OOT communities.October 24, 2017 1:01 pm at 1:01 pm #1389107MDGParticipant
Thank you for that reference.
I did not notice any condescension in Joseph’s post.
I felt that the article was good because it raised issues that are true but ignored in the modern orthodox community. I also went to Modern Orthodox high school, and I have to say that there seemed to be a level of cognitive dissonance, or at least lack of zehirut and zerizut.
Fortunately our main Rebbe was/is very learned Brisker, and was clear in showing priorities. One time someone pointed out “that guy is at Harvard”. Our Rebbe said, “who cares” with disdain. “How much learning can he do there?”
Thinking about it, I guess most of the blame should point towards the school boards, who are usually made up of professionals. They want to raise the next generation of professionals who will be able to pay the bills. I don’t think they see where are there lack of spirituality is headed.October 24, 2017 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #1389133Takes2-2tangoParticipant
Im surprised rabbi prusansky didnt come out with the high percentage of yeshivish snd chassidish who are “frum” outside but in thier closet they pretty mich left it all. Basically living a double life style. More males then females generally.October 24, 2017 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #1389154
What percentage is it?October 24, 2017 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #1389162zahavasdadParticipant
Certainly people are talking about OTD in more frummer communities todayOctober 24, 2017 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #1389163ShtikaParticipant
I’m sorry but some of my best friends are modern.. It’s just easier that way. I try not to judge them, but as they say themselves “you got to live according to the times” which includes watching movies with pritzus, having mixed get togethers on Friday night, etc. It’s everyone else who missed the point. NOBODY CAN EVER DISPROVE ANYONE ELSE’S BEHAVIOR cause as Rav Dessler writes “everyone wants to feel good about themselves, and recognizing one’s faults would be saying to a person with not healthy self esteem, that he not good.” it’s just too painful. SO PLEASE EVERYONE STOP WASTING YOUR TIME, YOU WON’T CHANGE ANYTHINGOctober 24, 2017 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #1389176
What does “mixed get togethers” have to do with keeping up with the times?October 24, 2017 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #1389193
Empty inside…. Sort of like a Modern Orthodox Jew. Why are you complaining? More people are joining your ranks.October 24, 2017 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #1389211Takes2-2tangoParticipant
Yitzchockm. More like athiests is how i would rate them after meeting a mice handful.October 24, 2017 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #1389233
Are mice religious?October 24, 2017 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #1389238
Are mice religious?
I don’t know about all,
but I know of one,
and that particular mouse,
is second to none!October 25, 2017 7:44 am at 7:44 am #1389475buffalonianParticipant
Regarding the original post (and title of this thread), it is highly questionable. I checked the Rabbi’s blog, and all he does is refer to one “unpublished” study he says that he looked at, and another unnamed study. We have no idea what these studies are, who did them, what their quality is, and whether they are even correct. He provides no link to further information.
For example, are these studies of a single high school? A small handful of schools? Of a MO school in which half the kids who go there aren’t even MO? What is the sample size? Response rate?
Without any information about the studies, we have no idea what they measure or whether they have any validity whatsoever. As of now these are basically second-hand rumors about studies, which obviously no one can draw any meaningful conclusions from.
I’m sure some communities and some schools or colleges have higher OTD rates than others (YU/Stern or Touro vs public universities, for example), but the fact is we don’t have any data to prove it one way or another.October 25, 2017 8:07 am at 8:07 am #1389492Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
Yeah, I have to admit, I also looked into the study out of curiosity and it seems like possibly fake news.
That being said, I wouldn’t consider it “shocking” if the numbers were true. 50% seems about right from what I’ve seen.October 25, 2017 8:19 am at 8:19 am #1389497JosephParticipant
Rabbi Pruzansky is a highly credentialed Modern Orthodox rabbi with one of the largest congregations in Teaneck, the MO capital of the US.October 25, 2017 8:35 am at 8:35 am #1389500MTABParticipant
of course they go OTD. Their whole training in judaism is honey bread and dancing. then life starts and the real demands of religion seem like a drag to them. they are not taught any yiras shemayim. plus they are fed all this nonsense about how unfair the religion is to women. They are not taught faith in the torah way.October 25, 2017 9:07 am at 9:07 am #1389523
And the censorship continues
I didn’t realize that modern Orthodox agreeing with elements of evolution is controversial.
They regularly espouse that view,
It’s been said before but don’t assume the main subject is the only basis for deletion. Don’t remember your specific post but just mentioning that sometimes it is for other reasons. – 29October 25, 2017 10:59 am at 10:59 am #1389606zahavasdadParticipant
There are quite a number of non-relgious people who go to MO schools, they were never relgious and they are likely counted as OTD. Very few (if any) non relgious go to Charedi schoolsOctober 25, 2017 11:59 am at 11:59 am #1389539
It’s your website, your rules. That was definitely the gist of my previous comment, I don’t remember my exact wording either.
It’s hard to predict what’s going to pass and what’s not.October 25, 2017 12:33 pm at 12:33 pm #13896675ishParticipant
G-d commands us to rebuke wayward Jews and return them to the path of righteousness. Your idea that no one should judge others because they themselves have also sinned is an idea which comes from Yoshke and is not a part of Judaism. While it is true that one should not cast aspersion on Jews, it is also true that as a nation we are all responsible for one another and when there are problems which are endemic to a significant portion of Klal Yisroel, we have a responsibility to help them navigate to the right path regardless of if they want to or not.October 25, 2017 1:25 pm at 1:25 pm #1389670seedysParticipant
Instead of looking at the Modern Orthodox, look at yourselves. Are all the “Frum” people, the best that they can be? My daughter had a Bais Yakov education, Frum home, and is totally not religious now. Yet, she is respectful, helpful, has a good heart, is a hard worker, etc. I don’t want to go into more details about her, so that no one should identify me or her. She has friends from the Bais Yaakov, one is Lesbian, another MO, and a few others, not religious at all. She has MO cousins in the Five Towns, who went to MO schools. They are grown up and still Modern Orthodox, keep Shabbos, Yom Tovim, Taharas Mishpocha, etc. She has other cousins that are Chassidic, not saying which kind. Some of them look religious, but are keeping only some mitzvos and do what they want when their parents are not looking. My ex-landord,from whom we rented an apartment, for many years, and they have many children. They are Chassidic and they have a child that is totally not religious. I have a long time friendly relationship with a famous Yeshivish Rabbi and Rebbetzin and family. They have one child that is totally not religious, but is helpful, caring, hardworking and friendly. My daughter has a few co-workers, that look Frum, but do not act nice and are not Frum. They live in a Frum community, and do whatever they want outside the community. OTD is a problem that affects all Jews, everywhere. It is difficult to be a Frum Jew, with all the new stringencies and prohibitions. It is also difficult to have faith in Hashem, when the world is a total mess and getting worse and it seems that Hashem is not in control. Love all your fellow Jews and accept them as they are. Don’t judge others until you can change places with them, which is not possible.October 25, 2017 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #1389743
You second sentence implies that we should judge people similar to ourselves. Is that correct?October 25, 2017 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #1389790YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
It’s hard to predict what’s going to pass and what’s not.
Kinda like shidduchimOctober 25, 2017 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #1389845
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