shopping at a new super grocery store vs the corner grocery store.

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  • #1668519

    Takes2-2tango
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    Is there an issue morally , hashkafikley,halachikly to switch over from your corner grocery store to the new super store ehich moved into town.
    How much of a savings for example would be no shyla at all yo switch over.
    The fact that the smaller stores may go under based on the local stayistics , is this a reason to not go shop at the new store.
    Im sure there there are many variables. Looking for some insight and comments.
    Just remember that for the most part halacha does not take emotions into consideration.

    #1668658

    Lightbrite
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    Omg I’ve thought about these things too…

    Umm, can we control the economy or economic trends? Collectively I guess.

    Good question

    #1668660

    Joseph
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    #1668706

    Takes2-2tango
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    Im talking where both stores are jewish

    #1668712

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    This is a question for 30 years ago.

    The relevant question today would be a super duper store vs. a plain super store.

    #1668718

    goygetter
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    We need an Einstein to answer this one….
    It depends… If shopping at the big store will cost you more, then shop at the small one
    If shopping at the big store will cost less, then there are two options;
    1. If you’re on a tight budget shop at the big one
    2. If you’re not on a tight budget or you know yours corner grocery guy or you way to help him, them shop at the small one
    That being said the Rambam says that the highest form of Tzedakah is helping someone in his business… So I guess it’s preferable to go to whomever needs more your business to stay afloat…

    #1668723

    iacisrmma
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    I think it depends…..on how much the savings are.

    #1668736

    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    If they’re both frum yidden owned, then I don’t see why the size of the store would make any difference at all.

    #1668738

    Takes2-2tango
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    The new super store in Lakewood charges for boxes while the smaller ones dont.

    #1668740

    takahmamash
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    I shop at the bigger stores. The makolet will invariably be more expensive. Many of the makolets will insist on a minimum charge to use a credit card, which is in violation of their agreements with the credit card companies.

    #1668763

    Gadolhadorah
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    Assuming the smaller store offers a reasonable selection of grocery and specialty/heimeshe items in a clean facility with good service and the price differential is reasonable (for me thats about 10-20 percent premium), I will always patronize a smaller local store even with the higher price. However, for fresh produce, I find the smaller stores cannot really offer the selectoin and freshness of the larger stores and I generally go to the larger markets. Smaller heimeshe markets deservedly got a bad rap years ago for poor selection and service. As another poster commnted above, today, there are many moderately size kosher markets that offer a reasonable compromise between th two alternatives. Most OOT locations generally have only one successful location (e.g. Seven Mile in Baltimore) making the decision pretty obvious. The lack of competition sadly results in some markets that start out really good but gradually fail to maintain the quality of selection, don’t maintain their facilites and allow the service to deteriorate

    #1668805

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Many of the makolets will insist on a minimum charge to use a credit card, which is in violation of their agreements with the credit card companies.

    I don’t know about Israel, but in the US, the credit card companies are prohibited by federal law from stopping stores from imposing a minimum of $10 or less.

    #1668812

    Haimy
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    Rav Avigdor Miller said you should remain loyal to the original store you used. He shtelled Tzu the story of Avraham Avinu who stayed at the same motel on his way back from Mitzrayim as the way there. This part of the midda of hakaras hatov & neemonus.

    #1668899

    Takes2-2tango
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    Most stores big or small usually have weekly items on sale just to get you to come in , hoping u would make your whole shopping there.
    Big is not always cheaper. U have to do your home work.

    #1668902

    Takes2-2tango
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    Also i noticed where the sale items are only valid witj a minimum of 10/15 dollars of non sale items.
    Also where the sale offers for example 3 for $5.
    You must by 3, but if you buy 4 then the 4th charged full price. U gotta watch out for some shtik they play

    #1668965

    BillyW
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    How is advertising 3 for $5 & charging full price for a fourth “Shtik”?

    #1668986

    Joseph
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    Takes2: ShopRite and the major chains do that same shtick.

    #1669004

    TheGoq
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    Joseph some shtik that customers try to pull us seeing a sale item 3 for $5 but ignoring the must buy 3 in the same ad. Ive had customers buy one box of tissues then question the price when they tell me but its 3 for whatever and i reply yes ma’am but you did not buy 3 which is a prerequisite to get the savings.

    #1669307

    Takes2-2tango
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    In most peoples minds when a sign reads 3 for 5, means” at least ” 3 . So logic dictates that taking 4 should be calculated in thr sale price and not full price. And the stores who play shtick know this and take advantage.

    #1669408

    Takes2-2tango
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    January 27, 2019 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm
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    JosephParticipant

    Takes2: ShopRite and the major chains do that same shtick.
    —————————————
    Since when do we encourage people to emulate the goyim?

    #1669478

    WinnieThePooh
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    Even shtickier is when there is a sale price on something sold by weight – like chicken. 2 kilo on sale. But above 2 kilo, regular price. You pick up a pack of chicken, go to pay and find out it weighs 2.7 kilo, and you are not getting the sale you thought you were.

    #1669542

    Takes2-2tango
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    How about when the price of the deli container or 9×13 is part of the weight price. Its outright genaiva.
    Most stores/delisdont detuct the packaging from the item weight.

    #1669591

    chymee
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    Yes, sales & special offers are very tempting, but there has to be fair competition, I agree & I see it in my business , but I don’t, you don’t, no one likes when your competitor drives you outright of business, it’s very unfair, & it’s not Yiddish like, (huhh, those days are gone)

    #1669614

    👑RebYidd23
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    Why is it unfair that someone who can offer a better price should get more customers?

    #1670380

    Takes2-2tango
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    👑RebYidd23 says:

    Why is it unfair that someone who can offer a better price should get more customers?
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    Who said otherwise?
    Competition is always good as long as its competition and not causing the smaller stores to go belly up.

    #1670390

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Competition is always good as long as its competition and not causing the smaller stores to go belly up.

    Should the bigger stores raise their prices so that the smaller stores stay in business?

    #1670394

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    At a few of the frum stores I’ve shopped in, the extent of the “shtick” of 3 for $5 is that the first two are $1.67 and the third is $1.66.

    #1670506

    Joseph
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    Halacha prohibits too much competition. As such, it may be prohibited to, for example, to open a shop too close to another similar shop. This must be adhered to despite goyish American law permitting and encouraging such competition.

    #1670530

    Meno
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    In most peoples minds when a sign reads 3 for 5, means” at least ” 3

    Really?

    Honestly, that thought has never even crossed my mind before I read your comment.

    #1670572

    Joseph
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    Meno, you’re not most people.

    #1670605

    zahavasdad
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    More competition not only means better prices, but better service. No store has the right to my business

    And frankly when many regular supermarkets sell enough kosher products including meat, chicken and Chalav Yistoel milk, the jewish stores better learn to compete because kosher is expensive enough as it is,

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