January 27, 2019 7:00 am at 7:00 am #1668519
Is there an issue morally , hashkafikley,halachikly to switch over from your corner grocery store to the new super store ehich moved into town.
How much of a savings for example would be no shyla at all yo switch over.
The fact that the smaller stores may go under based on the local stayistics , is this a reason to not go shop at the new store.
Im sure there there are many variables. Looking for some insight and comments.
Just remember that for the most part halacha does not take emotions into consideration.January 27, 2019 9:04 am at 9:04 am #1668658LightbriteParticipant
Omg I’ve thought about these things too…
Umm, can we control the economy or economic trends? Collectively I guess.
Good questionJanuary 27, 2019 9:04 am at 9:04 am #1668660January 27, 2019 10:36 am at 10:36 am #1668706
Im talking where both stores are jewishJanuary 27, 2019 10:40 am at 10:40 am #1668712
This is a question for 30 years ago.
The relevant question today would be a super duper store vs. a plain super store.January 27, 2019 10:53 am at 10:53 am #1668718goygetterParticipant
We need an Einstein to answer this one….
It depends… If shopping at the big store will cost you more, then shop at the small one
If shopping at the big store will cost less, then there are two options;
1. If you’re on a tight budget shop at the big one
2. If you’re not on a tight budget or you know yours corner grocery guy or you way to help him, them shop at the small one
That being said the Rambam says that the highest form of Tzedakah is helping someone in his business… So I guess it’s preferable to go to whomever needs more your business to stay afloat…January 27, 2019 10:54 am at 10:54 am #1668723iacisrmmaParticipant
I think it depends…..on how much the savings are.January 27, 2019 11:37 am at 11:37 am #1668736Neville ChaimBerlinParticipant
If they’re both frum yidden owned, then I don’t see why the size of the store would make any difference at all.January 27, 2019 11:40 am at 11:40 am #1668738
The new super store in Lakewood charges for boxes while the smaller ones dont.January 27, 2019 11:41 am at 11:41 am #1668740takahmamashParticipant
I shop at the bigger stores. The makolet will invariably be more expensive. Many of the makolets will insist on a minimum charge to use a credit card, which is in violation of their agreements with the credit card companies.January 27, 2019 11:52 am at 11:52 am #1668763GadolhadorahParticipant
Assuming the smaller store offers a reasonable selection of grocery and specialty/heimeshe items in a clean facility with good service and the price differential is reasonable (for me thats about 10-20 percent premium), I will always patronize a smaller local store even with the higher price. However, for fresh produce, I find the smaller stores cannot really offer the selectoin and freshness of the larger stores and I generally go to the larger markets. Smaller heimeshe markets deservedly got a bad rap years ago for poor selection and service. As another poster commnted above, today, there are many moderately size kosher markets that offer a reasonable compromise between th two alternatives. Most OOT locations generally have only one successful location (e.g. Seven Mile in Baltimore) making the decision pretty obvious. The lack of competition sadly results in some markets that start out really good but gradually fail to maintain the quality of selection, don’t maintain their facilites and allow the service to deteriorateJanuary 27, 2019 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm #1668805
Many of the makolets will insist on a minimum charge to use a credit card, which is in violation of their agreements with the credit card companies.
I don’t know about Israel, but in the US, the credit card companies are prohibited by federal law from stopping stores from imposing a minimum of $10 or less.January 27, 2019 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm #1668812HaimyParticipant
Rav Avigdor Miller said you should remain loyal to the original store you used. He shtelled Tzu the story of Avraham Avinu who stayed at the same motel on his way back from Mitzrayim as the way there. This part of the midda of hakaras hatov & neemonus.January 27, 2019 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #1668899
Most stores big or small usually have weekly items on sale just to get you to come in , hoping u would make your whole shopping there.
Big is not always cheaper. U have to do your home work.January 27, 2019 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #1668902
Also i noticed where the sale items are only valid witj a minimum of 10/15 dollars of non sale items.
Also where the sale offers for example 3 for $5.
You must by 3, but if you buy 4 then the 4th charged full price. U gotta watch out for some shtik they playJanuary 27, 2019 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #1668965BillyWParticipant
How is advertising 3 for $5 & charging full price for a fourth “Shtik”?January 27, 2019 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #1668986
Takes2: ShopRite and the major chains do that same shtick.January 27, 2019 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #1669004TheGoqParticipant
Joseph some shtik that customers try to pull us seeing a sale item 3 for $5 but ignoring the must buy 3 in the same ad. Ive had customers buy one box of tissues then question the price when they tell me but its 3 for whatever and i reply yes ma’am but you did not buy 3 which is a prerequisite to get the savings.January 28, 2019 11:16 am at 11:16 am #1669307
In most peoples minds when a sign reads 3 for 5, means” at least ” 3 . So logic dictates that taking 4 should be calculated in thr sale price and not full price. And the stores who play shtick know this and take advantage.January 28, 2019 12:42 pm at 12:42 pm #1669408
January 27, 2019 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm
Takes2: ShopRite and the major chains do that same shtick.
Since when do we encourage people to emulate the goyim?January 28, 2019 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #1669478WinnieThePoohParticipant
Even shtickier is when there is a sale price on something sold by weight – like chicken. 2 kilo on sale. But above 2 kilo, regular price. You pick up a pack of chicken, go to pay and find out it weighs 2.7 kilo, and you are not getting the sale you thought you were.January 28, 2019 3:22 pm at 3:22 pm #1669542
How about when the price of the deli container or 9×13 is part of the weight price. Its outright genaiva.
Most stores/delisdont detuct the packaging from the item weight.January 28, 2019 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #1669591chymeeParticipant
Yes, sales & special offers are very tempting, but there has to be fair competition, I agree & I see it in my business , but I don’t, you don’t, no one likes when your competitor drives you outright of business, it’s very unfair, & it’s not Yiddish like, (huhh, those days are gone)January 28, 2019 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #1669614👑RebYidd23Participant
Why is it unfair that someone who can offer a better price should get more customers?January 29, 2019 8:52 am at 8:52 am #1670380
Why is it unfair that someone who can offer a better price should get more customers?
Who said otherwise?
Competition is always good as long as its competition and not causing the smaller stores to go belly up.January 29, 2019 8:57 am at 8:57 am #1670390
Competition is always good as long as its competition and not causing the smaller stores to go belly up.
Should the bigger stores raise their prices so that the smaller stores stay in business?January 29, 2019 9:02 am at 9:02 am #1670394
At a few of the frum stores I’ve shopped in, the extent of the “shtick” of 3 for $5 is that the first two are $1.67 and the third is $1.66.January 29, 2019 11:39 am at 11:39 am #1670506
Halacha prohibits too much competition. As such, it may be prohibited to, for example, to open a shop too close to another similar shop. This must be adhered to despite goyish American law permitting and encouraging such competition.January 29, 2019 11:40 am at 11:40 am #1670530MenoParticipant
In most peoples minds when a sign reads 3 for 5, means” at least ” 3
Honestly, that thought has never even crossed my mind before I read your comment.January 29, 2019 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #1670572
Meno, you’re not most people.January 29, 2019 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm #1670605zahavasdadParticipant
More competition not only means better prices, but better service. No store has the right to my business
And frankly when many regular supermarkets sell enough kosher products including meat, chicken and Chalav Yistoel milk, the jewish stores better learn to compete because kosher is expensive enough as it is,
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