March 10, 2017 1:41 pm at 1:41 pm #619444
We spring ahead Motzei Shabbos/Sunday morning and thus have one less hour of purim 🙁March 10, 2017 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm #1225634
Whoa thanks Goq!!! Didn’t realize it’s Spring Forward weekend.
Aww. So we gotta jam pack the Simcha this year.
But isn’t that just in the US?
What about Shushan Purim for someone who is just visiting the US?March 10, 2017 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm #1225635
I thought of it as an hour more. Since on the day of Purim the sun will set an hour later, so if you wake up on your old clock (out of habit) you get an extra hour.
(of course the overall time of Purim isnt actually changing and youd lose an hour of sleep)March 10, 2017 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #1225636
Less time to sleep it off.March 10, 2017 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #1225637
You have Sunday night to sleep it offMarch 10, 2017 1:53 pm at 1:53 pm #1225638
On that note anyone know any good hangover remedies?March 10, 2017 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1225639
A couple of shots of whiskey.March 10, 2017 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #1225640
Hair of the dog is not nearly as effective as reducing the amount of alcohol you drink in the first place.March 10, 2017 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #1225641
True, but that’s hangover avoidance, not a hangover remedy. 🙂
A long walk before going to sleep works well too.March 10, 2017 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #1225642
If anyone needs it, I have a ton of dog hair to give away.March 11, 2017 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm #1225643
LB, I wasn’t aware that somebody from Yerushalayim who is visiting somewhere else will still keep Shushan Purim. I thought it was just if you were actually there. Can somebody correct me on this?March 12, 2017 12:35 am at 12:35 am #1225644
It’s complicated. If you sleep somewhere, that’s where you keep more or less.March 12, 2017 5:11 am at 5:11 am #1225645
The GOQ, no because then Purim ends later in the evening.March 12, 2017 5:36 am at 5:36 am #1225646
Can we all bear in mind that the clock does not actually affect time itself?March 12, 2017 8:18 am at 8:18 am #1225647
RY – +1. Especially when it comes to Chagim. I don’t think you guys even had a shorter night last night because shul/megilah reading was probably an hour later, no? Doesn’t it go by zman kirias Shema?March 12, 2017 9:57 am at 9:57 am #1225648
LU: No. IN the NYC area 72 minutes after shkia was approximately 7:10 PM (19:10 GMT -0500). Many shuls started the megillah right away after Maariv. Others may have waited 1/2 hour to give the women a chance to come. DST started at 2:00 AM EST (3:00 AM EDT). NYC is now at GMT -0400. Yesterday Netz (sunrise) was at 06:12 EST; today it is 07:12 (EDT).March 13, 2017 12:52 am at 12:52 am #1225649
Nechomah: I am still trying to figure it out myself. I don’t know.
What if it is a man traveling and his wife and children are home in Jerusalem. Does he celebrate?
I am not a man with a wife and children in Jerusalem, but I wonder if I was, would it feel weird not to feel like I was there in Jerusalem celebrating even if I am technically chutz l’ar’etz?March 13, 2017 1:01 am at 1:01 am #1225650
I suspect the opening poster set this up as a test which, so far, no one has passed.
Like all Jewish days, Purim begins and ends based on the sun. The sun is unaffected by human measurements of time. No time was gained or lost on Purim.March 13, 2017 1:03 am at 1:03 am #1225651
Iacisrmma- I was talking about the daytime minyan & kriah. My point was that I thought some posters in this thread thought that Purim night would be affected by the time change and it would be an hour shorter. My point is that the time people have to wake up Purim morning has nothing to do with what the powers to be decided to call the time. It goes by whatever time Minyan is which I assume is connected to Netz which is unaffected by the artificial time change.
The artificial time change does affect us during the work-week since people’s jobs go according to the time on the clock. However, when the clocks change on a Yomtov, it shouldn’t really affect us. In EY, they used to change the clocks on Thursday night for that reason – this way, many people are not affected until Sunday. In the US, they do it on a Motzei Shabbos since most people will not be affected until Monday (and m/w they have time to get used to it).March 13, 2017 1:04 am at 1:04 am #1225652
Or to put it more simply, read Huju’s post (which was not posted yet when I started mine).March 13, 2017 1:08 am at 1:08 am #1225653
“In the US, they do it on a Motzei Shabbos since most people will not be affected until Monday (and m/w they have time to get used to it).” (LU)
Wow! I didn’t realize that they did it on Saturday night/Sunday morning intentionally to make it easier for people to adjust before the workweek. That makes sense. I guess I took it for granted that people planned out the day of the week that they decide to changes the clock for a strategic reason.
Thanks for the fun fact LU 🙂March 13, 2017 1:16 am at 1:16 am #1225654
1) If someone is in Yerusholayim @sunrise on Adar [Sheni] 15th, s/he must observe all laws of Purim, even if person spent the previous evening outside Yerusholayim, s/he must somehow still hear Megilla on nite of 15th, and if person departs Yerusholayim immediately after sunrise on 15th, person must still keep all 4 Mitzvos of Purim even outside Yerusholayim, on the 15th.
2) 2028 & 2031, daylights savings shall again commence on Purim [except of-course for Arizona, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Saskatchewan who were so smart not to adopt this Chukas haGoy].March 13, 2017 1:19 am at 1:19 am #1225655
“In the US, they do it on a Motzei Shabbos since most people will not be affected until Monday (and m/w they have time to get used to it).” For this same reason, in Israel clocks changer on a Friday, so people can recover from time change over Shabbos. Even the secular government knows better, not to change clock on Shabbos when people are resting, to avoid Halachic issues with adjusting clocks on Shabbos itself.March 13, 2017 1:25 am at 1:25 am #1225656
LB – I don’t think I ever heard that – I just assumed it. I think I probably figured it out from living in EY. When I moved to EY and found out that they changed the clocks here on Thursday evening, I figured out that the reason must be because Shabbos is not affected by the clock, so from that I reasoned that in the US they must do it for the same kind of reason.
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