Shortened Purim

Home Forums Yom Tov Purim Shortened Purim

Viewing 24 posts - 1 through 24 (of 24 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #619444

    TheGoq
    Participant

    We spring ahead Motzei Shabbos/Sunday morning and thus have one less hour of purim 🙁

    #1225634

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Whoa thanks Goq!!! Didn’t realize it’s Spring Forward weekend.

    Aww. So we gotta jam pack the Simcha this year.

    But isn’t that just in the US?

    What about Shushan Purim for someone who is just visiting the US?

    #1225635

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    I thought of it as an hour more. Since on the day of Purim the sun will set an hour later, so if you wake up on your old clock (out of habit) you get an extra hour.

    (of course the overall time of Purim isnt actually changing and youd lose an hour of sleep)

    #1225636

    TheGoq
    Participant

    Less time to sleep it off.

    #1225637

    Meno
    Participant

    You have Sunday night to sleep it off

    #1225638

    TheGoq
    Participant

    On that note anyone know any good hangover remedies?

    #1225639

    DovidBT
    Participant

    A couple of shots of whiskey.

    #1225640

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Hair of the dog is not nearly as effective as reducing the amount of alcohol you drink in the first place.

    #1225641

    DovidBT
    Participant

    True, but that’s hangover avoidance, not a hangover remedy. 🙂

    A long walk before going to sleep works well too.

    #1225642

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    If anyone needs it, I have a ton of dog hair to give away.

    #1225643

    Nechomah
    Participant

    LB, I wasn’t aware that somebody from Yerushalayim who is visiting somewhere else will still keep Shushan Purim. I thought it was just if you were actually there. Can somebody correct me on this?

    #1225644

    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    It’s complicated. If you sleep somewhere, that’s where you keep more or less.

    #1225645

    rebshidduch
    Participant

    The GOQ, no because then Purim ends later in the evening.

    #1225646

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Can we all bear in mind that the clock does not actually affect time itself?

    #1225647

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    RY – +1. Especially when it comes to Chagim. I don’t think you guys even had a shorter night last night because shul/megilah reading was probably an hour later, no? Doesn’t it go by zman kirias Shema?

    #1225648

    iacisrmma
    Participant

    LU: No. IN the NYC area 72 minutes after shkia was approximately 7:10 PM (19:10 GMT -0500). Many shuls started the megillah right away after Maariv. Others may have waited 1/2 hour to give the women a chance to come. DST started at 2:00 AM EST (3:00 AM EDT). NYC is now at GMT -0400. Yesterday Netz (sunrise) was at 06:12 EST; today it is 07:12 (EDT).

    #1225649

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Nechomah: I am still trying to figure it out myself. I don’t know.

    What if it is a man traveling and his wife and children are home in Jerusalem. Does he celebrate?

    I am not a man with a wife and children in Jerusalem, but I wonder if I was, would it feel weird not to feel like I was there in Jerusalem celebrating even if I am technically chutz l’ar’etz?

    #1225650

    huju
    Participant

    I suspect the opening poster set this up as a test which, so far, no one has passed.

    Like all Jewish days, Purim begins and ends based on the sun. The sun is unaffected by human measurements of time. No time was gained or lost on Purim.

    #1225651

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Iacisrmma- I was talking about the daytime minyan & kriah. My point was that I thought some posters in this thread thought that Purim night would be affected by the time change and it would be an hour shorter. My point is that the time people have to wake up Purim morning has nothing to do with what the powers to be decided to call the time. It goes by whatever time Minyan is which I assume is connected to Netz which is unaffected by the artificial time change.

    The artificial time change does affect us during the work-week since people’s jobs go according to the time on the clock. However, when the clocks change on a Yomtov, it shouldn’t really affect us. In EY, they used to change the clocks on Thursday night for that reason – this way, many people are not affected until Sunday. In the US, they do it on a Motzei Shabbos since most people will not be affected until Monday (and m/w they have time to get used to it).

    #1225652

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Or to put it more simply, read Huju’s post (which was not posted yet when I started mine).

    #1225653

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    “In the US, they do it on a Motzei Shabbos since most people will not be affected until Monday (and m/w they have time to get used to it).” (LU)

    Wow! I didn’t realize that they did it on Saturday night/Sunday morning intentionally to make it easier for people to adjust before the workweek. That makes sense. I guess I took it for granted that people planned out the day of the week that they decide to changes the clock for a strategic reason.

    Thanks for the fun fact LU 🙂

    #1225654

    147
    Participant

    1) If someone is in Yerusholayim @sunrise on Adar [Sheni] 15th, s/he must observe all laws of Purim, even if person spent the previous evening outside Yerusholayim, s/he must somehow still hear Megilla on nite of 15th, and if person departs Yerusholayim immediately after sunrise on 15th, person must still keep all 4 Mitzvos of Purim even outside Yerusholayim, on the 15th.

    2) 2028 & 2031, daylights savings shall again commence on Purim [except of-course for Arizona, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Saskatchewan who were so smart not to adopt this Chukas haGoy].

    #1225655

    147
    Participant

    “In the US, they do it on a Motzei Shabbos since most people will not be affected until Monday (and m/w they have time to get used to it).” For this same reason, in Israel clocks changer on a Friday, so people can recover from time change over Shabbos. Even the secular government knows better, not to change clock on Shabbos when people are resting, to avoid Halachic issues with adjusting clocks on Shabbos itself.

    #1225656

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    LB – I don’t think I ever heard that – I just assumed it. I think I probably figured it out from living in EY. When I moved to EY and found out that they changed the clocks here on Thursday evening, I figured out that the reason must be because Shabbos is not affected by the clock, so from that I reasoned that in the US they must do it for the same kind of reason.

Viewing 24 posts - 1 through 24 (of 24 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.


Trending