Should citizens be able to adopt non-citizens at the border?

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  • #1775161

    👑RebYidd23
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    If a citizen is wealthy enough, why should he or she not be able to vouch for and pledge support to an immigrant individual or family and allow them into the country?

    #1775347

    Joseph
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    Only if the citizen puts into irrevocable escrow 10 years worth of living expenses, at the current cost of living in New York, for the immigrant and his entire family.

    #1775373

    user176
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    If they do all the proper background checks etc. that’s a good idea. But then again why not just enter the country legally? This would be an alternative way to allow immigrants to enter legally but won’t really make a dent.

    #1775437

    lakewhut
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    If they intend to become citizens. And they should have 2 months to do so.

    #1775465

    👑RebYidd23
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    Joseph, you should be a fan of this because of its unfortunate superficial similarities to slavery.

    #1775497

    akuperma
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    Adoption is a complex legal proceeding involving terminating the adoptees relationships to their family.

    In the past refugees needed sponsors. Most of the people attempting to immigrate now are looking for jobs and are quite ready and able to work, so there is really no economic issue. Labor force participation by new immigrants is well above average. While increased immigration is good for business, it forces down wages by increasing the supply of labor, which is why there is much opposition.

    #1775576

    Gadolhadorah
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    Reb Yid: If you are a true tzadik and are open to adopting Joseph, CT Lawyer has indicated his willingness to handle the legal matters (i.e. a court-ordered sanity evaluation for you and liability issues related to his prior trolls on social media in Mexico and unpaid bills to a mariachi band he flew in for a family Simcha).

    #1775592

    yehudayona
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    Apparently Joseph thinks no immigrant would want to live OOT.

    #1775606

    CTLAWYER
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    While many of you are making light of this.
    Adoption is a serious matter.
    I speak from personal experience as an adoptive parent and professional experience as a Family Law attorney who has handled many adoptions in Probate and/or Surrogate’s Court.

    As mentioned above I have no problem with the old system of sponsoring immigrants and guaranteeing they will not end up as public charges.
    Immediately after WWII, my zaidy Z”L sponsored more than a hundred survivors, bringing them from the DP camps and providing jobs in his clothing factories. In 1956, my father Z”L sponsored a dozen Jewish families who escaped the Hungarian uprising.

    A legal adoption involves home studies by licensed professionals and proper documentation and court approvals, both in the country where the adoption takes place and where the adopted person settles with the new parents. One mistake can cause a lifetime of grief and aggravation.
    It is neither cheap or quick.

    #1775622

    👑RebYidd23
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    How adoption is has nothing to do with how adoption should be.

    #1775653

    Gadolhadorah
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    On a serious note, there are also many family members of young children arriving alone at the border who would be willing to provide foster homes/guardianship for those children. In this case, HHS is correct regarding the importance of doing intensive review of proposed family placements (including DNA matching) in some cases) to assure that these are truly family members and that they will be able to provide a good home to these children. This can take weeks or months and while the process is less complex than a formal adoption, may still be challenging from a legal perspective.

    #1775641

    ☕️coffee addict
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    “Adoption is a serious matter.
    I speak from personal experience as an adoptive parent“

    Of Joseph’s Kids

    #1775681

    👑RebYidd23
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    I don’t think adult adoption should be difficult. When people adopt a child, it’s more one-sided, as the child isn’t really an active part of the process. When adults adopt other adults, both agree to become family.

    #1775711

    Abba_S
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    I think the system could result in people going down to the border to acquire slaves as the sponsor will have full control over their life, and could for example lock them in the basement and forcing them to do chores.

    #1775743

    CTLAWYER
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    @coffeeaddict
    It’s no secret that Joseph’s daughter loves spending the summer in our home, with all my progeny
    BUT, I don’t take adoption lightly.
    Our youngest daughter was adopted in China. The experience was trying, painful and expensive, but worth it.

    American government officials at many levels don’t understand US adoption/citizenship laws.
    When she wanted to get a drivers license, CT Motor Vehicle Dept insisted on a copy of her Green Card and Naturalization papers.
    BUT, the law is that a child adopted abroad by American citizens is instantly a US Citizen. She did not have to be naturalized. She has a birth certificate issued by the State Of CT Probate Court at the time her name was legally changed from the birth Chinese name to the name of our choosing.
    I had to climb through 6 layers of management at DMV and finally to their chief Counsel and provide him a copy of the State Department directives that declare this instant citizenship. For years DMV had been turning away adoptees and not issuing licenses. Now there is a procedure manual in every CT DMV branch clarifying this.
    When she wanted a US passport to travel to EY, it was denied. Why? The passport office insisted on a valid Green Card. Something she never had or needed. It took a call from our Congressman to straighten this out.
    Even registering to vote was an issue because her CT Birth Certificate lists China as place of Birth.
    This is not unusual, there are many children born abroad who are US Citizens. Getting a US Birth Certificate is common.
    Educating Civil Servants in the law is hard

    #1775745

    CTLAWYER
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    @gadolhadorah
    The government has to be cautious who they place children with. There is a great liability if bad things happen.
    When Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, there were thousands of youth (American Citizens) shipped to the mainland to attend school while PR rebuilt.
    They had to first be assigned to licensed foster parents, unless a close family relationship could be proven (sibling, aunt, uncle, grandparent). CT DCF set up a rush licensing course for secondary relatives (Cousins, etc) that took 7 days of classes, home visits and background checks. Normally, the licensing process takes a minimum of 6 months.
    Government can act fast if it wants to do so.

    #1775758

    Gadolhadorah
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    I would rather the placement process take a few weeks longer to fully vet the prospective foster parents/guardians. While keeping children in any sort of “detention” facility is always problematic, it would be much worse if there were some abuse downstream that might have been flagged by a more rigorous background investigation.

    #1775756

    Lucy
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    CTLaywer, your life is so fascinating. You should write a book

    #1775774

    CTLAWYER
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    @lucy
    Thank you.
    My eldest brother is a prolific author, more than 40 books published.

    I have written only three over the years, all out of print: A Euro-Traditional Kosher Cookbook (1978), and 2 Family Law Textbooks in 1984, One to Massachusetts and the other to Connecticut standards. Since most states have adopted a common code and procedure and states don’t test this way on their bar exams anymore there never was a need to update these.

    Mrs. CTL is currently writing a book that deals with our lives, family, careers and adventures. There is an editor and publisher interested, but the final decision to publish will be hers.
    I might contemplate another book after I fully retire in a few years, I don’t know that it would sell, but I’d like future generations of our family to know how we arrived on these shores 150 years ago and managed to both prosper and stay frum while integrating into American life.

    #1775786

    DovidBT
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    @ctlawyer
    If you wrote an autobiography and it were made into a film, which actor would you like to portray you?

    #1775790

    CTLAWYER
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    @dovidbt
    I have no idea……I’ve never given it thought and haven’t seen a movie in many years

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