June 4, 2013 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #958334Mr SfardiParticipant
Because why would any 25 yr old mom in the right state of mind start college???? especially if she has 2 kids and will probly have more in the next few years.June 4, 2013 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm #958335stam_a_yidMember
Mr. Sfardi: Kevar hayu devarim me’olam… It’s been done before.June 5, 2013 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #958336
It has happened. It could be. Because the challenges are even greater for a frum mother, my assumption is that the OP would’ve mentioned it were that the case.June 5, 2013 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #958337distractedParticipant
If you like medicine or like working with people, why not consider nursing school? It’s shorter. It’s in demand. It is easier to get into. It has shorter working hours. What is the difference between having a male nurse and a male doctor?June 5, 2013 10:52 pm at 10:52 pm #958338
Toi -“health- no no, its toiv.”
You missed my point Toiv, or I mean Toi.June 5, 2013 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #958339
distracted -“What is the difference between having a male nurse and a male doctor?”
A nurse doesn’t practice Medicine. The only ones who do are NP’s (advanced Nurse training), PA’s and Doctors.June 6, 2013 3:33 am at 3:33 am #958340charliehallParticipant
“Am I crazy? Does anyone know people who have done something similar?”
I know someone who learned at Ner Israel for years and recently graduated from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine.
“Touro doesn’t have a medical school”
Touro has at least four medical schools, in California, Nevada, Manhattan, and Westchester County. All are Osteopathic schools except for the one in Westchester County.
My wife didn’t earn her BA until she was 32, and then she had to go back to take pre-med courses. She graduated from medical school at age 40. She was able to arrange for a shomer Shabat residency even though one didn’t officially exist where she was training.
Good luck!June 6, 2013 4:50 am at 4:50 am #958341NechomahParticipant
Toi, I heard a great pshat on that from one of my teachers. She said that a doctor needs to know that he is just a shaliach from the Ribono Shel Olam.
The doctor who thinks that he is “Toiv Sheberofim”, he goes to gehinom.June 6, 2013 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #958342
Last time I checked, it was only Drs who practiced medicine….June 6, 2013 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #958343
monday night cholent -“Last time I checked, it was only Drs who practiced medicine”
Time to check again. In the good ole US of A, there are a lot more than the list I mentioned. In certain states psychologists can prescribe medicine and they don’t have medical degrees.
While PA’s, NP’s and paramedics usually in most states need a MD or a DO on top of them – this doesn’t mean they don’t practice medicine, it just means, most of the time, another signature at the bottom of the paper in the report.June 6, 2013 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #958344
health-and i thought youd be quick enough to pick up some good old fashioned facetiousness. o well.June 6, 2013 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #958345Bored214Participant
This is funny there’s like 61 posts advising frumscientist what to do but he/she seems to have disappearedJune 6, 2013 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #958346
bigehenom?June 9, 2013 3:32 am at 3:32 am #958347
I just finished second year medical school in an MD program. I went to Touro for undergrad. I got a 35+ on my MCAT and it was still not simple to get into an MD program. If you want to talk to me ask the moderators how you can email me.June 9, 2013 5:57 am at 5:57 am #958348charliehallParticipant
One more thing: You should go to medical school in the country in which you intend to practice. So if you want to make aliyah eventually, do that FIRST and then attend Israeli universities and an Israeli medical school. You will also save a ton of money, which will be essential as physician salaries in Israel are MUCH lower than those in the US. You will need to be fluent in spoken modern Hebrew.
Good luck!June 9, 2013 7:36 am at 7:36 am #958349ZachKessinMember
You should know going in that Med school is hard, being a good doctor is probably harder. That is not to say you should not do it, but that you should make sure that you *REALLY* want it.
If you do really want it go for it, will it be a lot of work, Yes, will it be worth it. Well from I have heard and read from my doctor friends very much so.
Good luck with whatever you choose to do.June 9, 2013 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #958350WIYMember
When does the voting begin?June 9, 2013 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #958351
WIY -“When does the voting begin?”
Right now. I vote this whole topic is full of baloney. Some troll decided to have a good time with an interesting topic. Some people can’t stop posting their opinions on everything, including me. ;0
At least I got to correct a lot of misconceptions about medical practioners.June 9, 2013 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm #958352
MediumThinker -“I just finished second year medical school in an MD program. I went to Touro for undergrad. I got a 35+ on my MCAT and it was still not simple to get into an MD program. If you want to talk to me ask the moderators how you can email me.”
Actually you are just starting medicine. Third year is where med school starts becoming the real deal. So if you have any questions or need any pointers – post right here on YWN and I’ll fill you in.June 10, 2013 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #958353
Health, I’m not sure you corrected any misconceptions. I am sure there are some good PA’s out there, but I have been to some and I was not impressed. And once someone thinks about it, you cant compare a Dr to a Pa. One has a minimum of 7 years of training, the other 2 and 1/2.June 10, 2013 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm #958354
monday night cholent -“Health, I’m not sure you corrected any misconceptions. I am sure there are some good PA’s out there, but I have been to some and I was not impressed. And once someone thinks about it, you cant compare a Dr to a Pa. One has a minimum of 7 years of training, the other 2 and 1/2.”
Well let me correct you again. Btw, I don’t know if you have any medical education -if you do then we can get into more detail.
You are correct in the difference in educations -PA’s and NP’s have much less education than physicians.
But that doesn’t translate into reality.
This isn’t my personal opinion, but I heard this from a top ID specialist. The avg. Doctor is just that -average. There are two types of PA’s -some below avg. and some above avg., when compared to Docs. The split is somewhere in the middle from the whole group. Some PA’s are just acting like nurses. OTOH, I’ve, IMHO, have found very few NP’s above avg., most are usually below.June 10, 2013 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #958355
I just enrolled in Touro for the summer semester. Wish me luck! My wife is really nervous that we won’t be able to get my daughter into school. She’s probably right; I’ll have to keep it a secret, at least till my kids are in school. We live in a twisted world. People are just really nervous about any outside influences, and who can blame them? They are probably right…June 10, 2013 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #958356
I really want to be a scientist, as I have a broad knowledge in science already (in secret; I have to get my kids into school–see above post)but I need a parnassah! At least undergraduate science will be a cakewalk for me, I know the textbooks well already.June 10, 2013 4:54 pm at 4:54 pm #958358
MediumThinker Did you do research/volunteering?June 10, 2013 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #958359
frumscientist -“I just enrolled in Touro for the summer semester. Wish me luck! My wife is really nervous that we won’t be able to get my daughter into school.”
If you’re for real how come you just posted now? How come you didn’t answer peoples’ questions who were trying to help you?
I have a hard time believing that you’re still for real -no one rejected a kid from school because they aren’t in Yeshiva/Kollel. I’m a long time Lakewood resident -so I know this for sure. They reject you for being too modern or not paying tuition.
Again do you have s/o to support you for the next ten years before you decide on Med school?
And why are you going to Touro now? Why not go to OCC first and then Touro? It’s cheaper and less time commuting. That’s what I did; amongst going to many other schools (the last part for the peanut gallery here).June 10, 2013 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #958360
1. I don’t have regular access to a cpu.
2. My rav advised me to go to Touro.
3. Maybe your right about schools; I’m just reporting my wife’s intuition.
4. The response is overwhelming–it’s hard to pick out who to respond to (the paradox of choice-google it).June 10, 2013 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #958361
Must go…will reply tomorrow iy”aJune 10, 2013 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #958362
frumscientist -“1. I don’t have regular access to a cpu.”
Unfortunately, you don’t sound ready for the realities of married life and school. I trust you that you are for real. First of all, don’t go to Touro now -it will be overwhelming. Drop out and start in OCC. You can possibly survive in OCC w/o a computer and internet providing you’re willing to spend many extra hours there to do homework. It would be easier obviously to buy your own computer. But definitely once you go to any other school -you will need a computer with the internet and possibly/probably a Non-filtered one. Your whole posts sound to me as you’re about to experience culture shock.June 10, 2013 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #958363
Yes, I did volunteer work. I waited to do research, which was a big mistake. I did some high level research my interview year. If you want to get into med school you have start early with volunteering and research.June 10, 2013 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #958364
There is evidence that physicians, PA’s and NP’s provide similar primary care. However, physicians tend to see and deal more complex cases.June 10, 2013 11:26 pm at 11:26 pm #958365
There is a frum woman in my med school class with about 8 kids. She was a PA. Her oldest is in Beis medrash. So, it happens.June 11, 2013 2:54 am at 2:54 am #958366
Health: you said “amongst going to many other schools . . . .” Elementary or High Schools?June 11, 2013 3:36 am at 3:36 am #958367
frumnotyeshivish – What – you finished giving your advice to the future lawyers? What happened with you – did you fail law school or you couldn’t find a normal job – that you always try to put down future lawyers?June 11, 2013 4:00 am at 4:00 am #958368
I didn’t put anyone down (yet). By all means if you are capable (this excludes you, Health) and willing to become a lawyer (or doctor, for that matter), do so.
It is when people are unsure that I start offering opinions.
Now, back to your schooling, elementary or high school?June 11, 2013 4:11 am at 4:11 am #958369ima1997Member
I would suggest becoming a pharmacist or a PA. Pharmacists make a very nice living, it doesn’t take nearly as many years, and I don’t believe that Obamacare will affect it. It combines helping people and the sciences. Good luck in whatever you do.June 11, 2013 4:33 am at 4:33 am #958370
frumnotyeshivish – You didn’t answer my question -failed out or
“Now, back to your schooling, elementary or high school?”
Yes, I’ve done that and a few different schools post high school besides what I posted before. I just didn’t go to YU B’H, like you are/did.June 11, 2013 7:44 am at 7:44 am #958371
Health: Neither. Never went to YU either, as you know. You should’ve gone there though. You might’ve earned a BA and become a college graduate. Perhaps you’re capable of becoming a nurse if you put everything you have into it. Who knows, you might have actually become a health professional. Oh well. It’s still possible I guess. Just study hard and get to work!June 11, 2013 7:57 am at 7:57 am #958372
people chill out.June 11, 2013 8:42 am at 8:42 am #958373springbok007Participant
Your wife supports emotionally completely, long haul
Your aptitude is there
You are prepared to struggle for a while
Your desire to commit and learn is thereJune 11, 2013 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #958374YenteMember
How are the preperations for step 1 going?June 11, 2013 1:50 pm at 1:50 pm #958375
Health, I spoke to more than one Dr about PA’s. One even told me that he would rather hire a below average Dr than a PA even though he would have to pay the Dr double what he would pay a PA. This is not a shot at PA’s. PA’s are needed. However, Drs are have more training and are needed more, especially now with the upcoming physician shortage.June 11, 2013 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #958376
1. What was your GPA?
2. What percentage of schools even sent you a secondary?
I have spoken to a few people I know who are in medical school. One guy did not do any research at all, got a 38 and is now in second year. He did tell me he did not get secondaries from a lot of schools, though.June 11, 2013 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #958377
But you can’t count on a 38…June 11, 2013 4:37 pm at 4:37 pm #958378
monday night cholent -“Health, I spoke to more than one Dr about PA’s. One even told me that he would rather hire a below average Dr than a PA even though he would have to pay the Dr double what he would pay a PA. This is not a shot at PA’s. PA’s are needed. However, Drs are have more training and are needed more, especially now with the upcoming physician shortage.”
Look this isn’t about I’m gonna prove you wrong or you’re gonna prove me wrong – e/o including me and other med prof. are entitled to their opinion(s).
I’d like to ask you something though -the last Doc that you mentioned -what area does he practice in and how long has he been practicing? Also, what type of exposure does/did he have to PA’s?June 11, 2013 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #958379
Health, The Dr I was refering to has an Internal Medicine practice in NJ. He’s been practicing for quite a while, as far as I know. Again, there is nothing against PA’s, just Dr’s have better training. PA’s are needed, but Drs are needed more.June 11, 2013 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #958380
monday night cholent -“Health, The Dr I was refering to has an Internal Medicine practice in NJ. He’s been practicing for quite a while, as far as I know.”
Well many disagree. I know of two pediatric groups and one IM Doc here in Lakewood that hire PA’s.
“Again, there is nothing against PA’s, just Dr’s have better training. PA’s are needed, but Drs are needed more.”
Again a good PA is better than a below avg. Doc. If your Doc has been out of the hospital awhile, which seems so from your post, he hasn’t had much exposure to PA’s. Nowadays PA’s & NP’s are the backbone of many hospitals.June 11, 2013 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm #958382
Yenta- “How are the preperations for step 1 going?”
Tough, but it’s progressing. Thanks for asking.
frum scientist 1. What was your GPA?
2. What percentage of schools even sent you a secondary?
my GPA was about a 3.9. I got a 36 on my MCAT. I only applied for MD programs. I had decent volunteering, with no research during application time. If I remember correctly, I got many secondaries. I went on about 6 interviews. Some required flights. My lack of research was brought up on a few interviews. I got rejected by a few, waitlisted by a few and accepted by Downstate off a waitlist (at that point I had done some fine research) (bisyata dishmaya, interviewed by a frum yid at Downstate), which for me was preferable to my waitlist options. I then withdrew from the others. However, it was not a simple process. I limited my applications to the North Eastern region and applied to less schools then I could have.
As an aside, Medical School is not an easy process, no matter how smart you are. I got in the 1500’s on my SATs (the old ones) and still find it challenging and time consuming. Residency will be worse. You have to take that into consideration. You have a very long road ahead of you. Good luck.
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