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  • #593154

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    Where can one get a good deal for a shtreimel? And what kind of shtreimels are available?

    #1045419

    smartcookie
    Member

    What do you mean by a good deal?

    A good Shtreimel is expensive.

    #1045420

    myfriend
    Member

    Shtreimel’s, Spodik’s, Kolpik’s usually run between $1,000 and $5,000.

    What are the hats Chasidim wear on weekdays called? Satmar’s are called Beaver Hats, but the others have something else I believe.

    #1045421

    deiyezooger
    Member

    Beaver hats mean its from a beaver (used to be, now days its from a rabbit) A satmar hat is called a “flacha (flat) beaver hit” while the other ones (Bobov/viznits e.t.c.) is called a “hoiche (tall) beaver hit.

    #1045422

    If your in israel you could go to someone called shemtov, he makes beautiful shtriemels for his top range ones he charges $3500 it’s made of canadian fur he makes a really nice crown going round the top and puts in streaks of white hair and makes it really light, my friends held mine and said it weighs lighter than their hats, in israel it might be expensive cos the average shtriemel macher charges about $1500 for their stuff, the end of the day you come out with a piece of a shtriemel, even my friends who hardly know the difference between shtriemel’s said to me ‘WOW i’ve never seen such a piece’.

    #1045423

    AinOhdMilvado
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    Just curious…

    $2,000-$3,000 is a LOT of money. How long does a streimel last?

    #1045424

    Poster
    Member

    Should last about 8 – 10 yrs and requires no upkeep as in the wash n’ sets that the $2,000 wig costs each month.. U just have to take good care of it. My husband is easygoing with his hat, the kids play Totty with it etc. But with his streimel he is careful to put in the box as soon as he takes it off…

    #1045425

    smartcookie
    Member

    Yes Tuna Beigel- Shem Tov has the nicest ones.

    AinOhd- most Chassanim is my circles buy one for $3500 and many also buy a second one for $1500 which they wear in bad weather!

    The expensive ones should last at least 10 years. But they do get maintenance every so often. It needs to be rebrushed and glued down professionally.

    #1045426

    I got a $1500 dollar one as well for the rain, he made it nearly as nice as my nice one, i could go to my chuppa with my rain one and people would think it’s my good one. (unless they already saw my nice one)

    #1045427

    smartcookie
    Member

    Tunabeigel- that’s true.

    My husbad has a $1500 one and it’s really gorgeous. I don’t see why he needed to spend $3500 on the other one, altough when comparing, it really does look so much richer.

    #1045428

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    smartcookie, ask teh men they will be able to explain it to you. To me most streimlech look the same, but just like there is a science behind a sheitel, there is one behind the streimel.

    #1045429

    eman
    Participant

    I went to the store before Purim and saw them alot cheaper.

    #1045430

    AinOhdMilvado
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    smartcookie said…

    “I don’t see why he needed to spend $3500 on the other one, altough when comparing, it really does look so much richer.”

    #1045431

    not I
    Member

    Often a chosson gets his first one paid for by the ‘shver’ and his mother pays for the sheitel for his wife!

    #1045432

    twisted
    Participant

    I have been to a streimel fabrik in Jerusalm (in my professional capacity- being a very straight laced litvak) and I saw on the workbench the raw material ermine (sable?) tails pinned up on a rack. The were flat black with a bright white tail tip. I asked the operator about this and he said yes, they dye the white, and for brown tones, they bleach. I asked if they could do all white, and he said yes, they could, but there is no market. I asked even rebbishe for YT? Not even rebbishe. Some people just have no sense of style.

    #1045434

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    not I, thats how it went by us!! My Shevy was cheaper than my husband’s streimel!!

    #1045435

    smartcookie
    Member

    AinOhd- the $3500 aren’t too loud. They’re very fine but beautiful. In perfect accordance with Tznius.

    #1045436

    deiyezooger
    Member

    A chusen shtriemel will be more exp. then a M’chuten shtriemel (not a big difrence in style but you know a chusen will come back many times for tuch ups while the shver is hopefully busy enough not to “drei a kup”.

    #1045444

    chazan
    Member

    Could anyone kindly give me contact details for Shemtov Shtreimels? thanks and g’mar chasimah tovah

    #1045445

    yaakov doe
    Participant

    Is it more of a mitzvah to wear a $3500 one?

    #1045446

    iced
    Member

    No, the mitzvah is the same to wear any hat Bnei Torah wear, regardless of the price.

    #1045447

    avrohomdovid
    Participant

    Can shtreimelach be cleaned or restored? Can the fabric in the middle be replaced? Where would you send it?

    #1045448

    voos epes
    Member

    Bump

    #1045449

    The kitzur says, ”one should not wear expensive clothing, nor cheap clothing, and one should sell the beams of his roof so that he has shoes to wear”.

    He says nothing about exorbitantly expensive head-gear. in fact we could derive that a $3500 dollar head-piece should be against halacha.

    #1045450

    Joseph
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    wehavegotit: Obviously you’re 100% opposed to expensive ($1,000+) sheitels.

    #1045451

    Li:

    We are, Obviously.

    #1045452

    barlev
    Participant

    If only people knew the hilig zachen a shtrimel has, they would invest 20000 dollars and more for one, a shietel is just a head covering

    #1045453

    Randomex
    Member

    Synthetic shtreimels are available nowadays for much lower prices than those discussed above, and they are not opposed by gedolim (as far as I know).

    wehave…:

    I don’t think halacha includes a maximum amount one

    may spend on one’s wardrobe or any item in it. Generally,

    fancy clothing is spoken about in the context of middos.

    (Also, the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch is not the last word in halocho.)

    barlev:

    Ah, yes, it’s a shame the heilige zachen had to wait

    until so recently for us to take advantage of them.

    You would think Moshe Rabbenu… oh, right! 🙂

    Actually, does anyone know when Yerushalmim started wearing them?

    #1045455

    eek
    Member

    Yerushalyim wears streimels??

    #1045457

    mewho
    Participant

    forget the shtreimel, buy your wife a mink jacket instead

    #1045458

    Joseph
    Participant

    There’s no minhag of wearing a mink jacket.

    #1045459

    MDG
    Participant

    “If only people knew the hilig zachen a shtrimel has, they would invest 20000 dollars and more for one”

    — In what mesechta is a shtrimel mentioned?

    “a shietel is just a head covering”

    — a lady’s head covering is mandated by the Torah. Depending on your posek, a sheitel works for that covering.

    As the Mesilat Yesharim explains, clothing is a function of Gaavah. A shtrimel is part of that. On the other hand, a lady’s hair cover is (or at least should be) tsniut. If you want to wear a shtrimel, that’s fine, but don’t confuse your gaavah with real ruchniut.

    #1045460

    MDG
    Participant

    “There’s no minhag of wearing a mink jacket.”

    True, but as the Gemara in Yevamot 62b (coming up soon in the Daf Yomi) says, a man is supposed to show love and respect to his wife. This could be one way of doing so.

    #1045461

    Joseph
    Participant

    MDG: For you to suggest that the Gedolei Yisroel, such as Rav Eliashev, Rav S.Z. Auerbach, the Gerrer Rebbe, etc. (as well as their adherents following their instructions and/or minhagim) who sported a shtreimel are doing so due to gaaiva, is egregious.

    #1045462

    MDG
    Participant

    I’m sorry that my comment was not clear enough. I was really addressing barlev who mentioned shtrimels as “hilig zachen” worth $20,000+. To me, those words sound like an excuse to indulge. Gedolim know how to use the physical world for mitsvot. For some of us, it’s the opposite. Can you find me a quote like “hilig zachen” from any of the Gedolim talking about their shtrimels?

    #1045463

    monroeyidd
    Member

    Shtreimels rule period

    #1045464

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    monroe – you sound very familiar

    #1045465

    monroeyidd
    Member

    Interesting

    #1045466

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Shtreimels are an unnecessary expense and that animals used are sometimes skinned alive.

    #1045467

    monroeyidd
    Member

    No animal is ever killed exclusively for shtreimels the shtreimel maker uses only the tails which have no use other then for shtreimels as for expense a shtreimel lasts about 12 years coming out to about 250$ for a $3000 shtreimel so not so bad

    #1045468

    MDG
    Participant

    “No animal is ever killed exclusively for shtreimels…”

    “The shtreimel is typically custom-made for the intended wearer, of genuine fur, from the tips of the tails typically of Canadian or Russian sable, stone marten, baum marten (Pine Marten), or American gray fox.” (from wikipedia)

    No, I don’t think anyone is having sable, marten, or fox burgers. Those animals are killed exclusively for their fur.

    monroeyidd, you can change your user name, but you’re still just as (un)educated.

    #1045469

    monroeyidd
    Member

    On Shtreimels I am educated the fur yes there killed for there fur but the tails which are what shtreimels are made of have no use other then for shtreimels

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