March 22, 2021 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #1959715charliehallParticipant
Court documents today filed by her lawyers defending her in the Dominion voting machines lawsuit include the statement, “no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact.”
I look forward to the Coffee Room commenters sho supported her withdrawing their support of her claims.March 23, 2021 11:29 am at 11:29 am #1959836MadeAliyahParticipant
Trump called. He wants credit for firing her.March 23, 2021 11:29 am at 11:29 am #1959880catch yourselfParticipant
Well, it’s hard to disagree with this particular assertion by her legal team.March 23, 2021 11:29 am at 11:29 am #1959884ubiquitinParticipant
I should hope so. Not only did she admit that she lied, but she also called anyone who didn’t realize she was lying a not a “reasonable person”March 23, 2021 11:29 am at 11:29 am #1959935yaakov doeParticipant
I was planning on hiring either Ms Powell or L. Lin Wood based on their unique abilities.March 23, 2021 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #1960003ujmParticipant
Have the Democrats from Obama and Pelosi and Schumer and their colleagues apologized for their many lies, such as regarding the ACA wouldn’t force people to change insurance and boatloads of other examples?March 23, 2021 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #1959993
Its called Legal Strategy.March 23, 2021 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #1959990
Oh Charlie, -“I look forward to the Coffee Room commenters sho supported her withdrawing their support of her claims”
You’re still living in your own Commy Country!
She’s only saying that to get out of her lawsuit.
When you live in a Commy Country, you have to Lie to get out of their Persecutions!March 23, 2021 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #1960027ubiquitinParticipant
“She’s only saying that to get out of her lawsuit.”
To be clear, so she is lying now?March 23, 2021 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #1960035erParticipant
TVP – “Its called Legal Strategy.”
Of course. But her only other legal option is to maintain that her claims were true. If she doesn’t think she can demonstrate the truthfullness of her claims by a preponderance of the evidence (= 50.0001%), then it is telling she knows she knowingly lied. Afterall, she’s a LAWYER for crying out loud – presenting evidence and advancing arguments is how she makes her living! So here she was presenting factual allegations to the public that she knew she had no chance of proving, even circumstantially! Done.March 23, 2021 9:04 pm at 9:04 pm #1960142ruvainParticipant
LOCK HER UP. Reminds me of the story of a man who went to his Rabbi and told he me made accusations on a business man and wanted to make things right. The Rabbi told him to get a feather pillow and to tear it open. He did and the feathers went everywhere. The Rav told the man to retreive the feathers Its a shame that the stupid minions continue to believe the garbage these people peddeledMarch 23, 2021 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #1960072erParticipant
Or put another way: the strategy is based on her recognition that it’s easier to show a trier of fact that her factual claims were outrageous and silly than to demonstrate that there’s even a 51% chance that her allegations COULD be truthful.
If you supported Trump, fine. But supporting allegations that are easier to prove as completely silly than ‘51% maybe-could-be-true’ isn’t the path of an emes-seeker. And emes is a Torah value btw.March 23, 2021 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #1960078se2015Participant
“Its called Legal Strategy.”
“She’s only saying that to get out of her lawsuit.”
Here’s the problem with that particular legal strategy: the second you say out loud that you’re only saying it to get out of a lawsuit, you don’t just lose credibility, the defense actually disappears. Poof. She’d be better off claiming insanity. There’s no such thing as wink-wink “no one should believe it” because the wink says you still think everyone should believe it.
Also, as er pointed out, truth is an absolute defense to defamation. If she really thinks she told the truth, why not prove it instead of lying that she lied to blatantly that no one in their right mind would believe it.
In a way, plaintiffs have already won the lawsuit. The point of the lawsuit was to force her to lay her cards on the table so everyone can evaluate the proof, because proof was lacking in the lawsuits. Remember how Trump and Co were furious that the federal courts were dismissing their lawsuits on procedural grounds (like legal standing) instead of letting them litigate the issues. Well, that poses a problem to a company that has its reputation damaged by the unproven allegation. This was her opportunity to lay out the proof, and she showed everyone she was bluffing the whole time.March 23, 2021 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1960087jackkParticipant
She knowingly lied. She is guilty of defamation. Her lies were so bizarre that she couldn’t even make the Trump team.March 23, 2021 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #1960138
Er -“But her only other legal option is to maintain that her claims were true.”
You sound just like the other Lying Libs that post here!
She doesn’t care about the Truth, only about money.
You obviously didn’t watch Mike Lindel’s documentary.
He brought out the Truth.
And then when Dominion said – “I’m going to sue.” He said “go ahead”.
And when they do – he will get access to all their machines.
He already has enough proof.
I watched his documentary.
But he wants to show e/o how the DemonCrats STOLE last year’s Election!March 23, 2021 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm #1960175GadolhadorahParticipant
Health: Until now, most of us believed that the only Trumpkopfs more demented than Sidney Powell and Crazy Rudy was the Pillow Guy…(aka Meshugah Mike). Do you really want us to believe you are competing with Lindell for that title??March 24, 2021 12:03 am at 12:03 am #1960186
Quite honestly, I personally started doubting Sidney’s specific claims of vote switching back in mid-December. Originally thought she had something simply because as I said then, it doesnt make sense for a prominent lawyer to knowingly burn her reputation, for no reason or gain whatsoever. That was a good svarah then, and its a good svarah today, even if in this case im wrong. The real and proved fraud was in Wisconsin with 140,000 excess voters on the indefinitely confined list, Michigan where a Judge ruled that SOS Jocelyn Benson broke rules regarding absentee ballot distribution and processing, and PA where Justice Alito’s orders were ignored.March 24, 2021 12:54 am at 12:54 am #1960213
So Powell said no reasonable person would believe her lies.
Guess who believed here lies… Donald Trump.
So Sidney Powell said Donald Trump is not a reasonable person.
If you disagree with that then Sidney Powell just committed perjury and would an attorney of her stature commit perjury? Therefore she must mean seriously that Trump is not reasonable.March 24, 2021 7:49 am at 7:49 am #1960224jackkParticipant
Americans voting for Biden is not fraud. Fact: More people voted Biden than for Trump. In fact, more people voted for Hillary than for Trump.
The Trump/GOP/Powell/Guliani plan of, after losing the election, attempting to disenfranchise TENS OF MILLIONS of American voters by throwing out their votes is a catastrophic FRAUD.
The Trump/GOP plan that is happening across America of ensuring that they win by denying easy access to voting is the real cheating. This is the only way the GOP knows how to win. They can’t win with their stupid ideas of giving Millionaire tax breaks and not giving all Americans Relief during a pandemic. They certainly can’t win with their racism, xenophobia and love for AR15’s.
They can only win by making sure that American’s find it hard to vote.
The future should be that voting is easier and not harder. Voting should be as easy as ordering on Amazon.
I hope Sidney and others learn their lesson that lying and defamation do not translate into winning.March 24, 2021 12:23 pm at 12:23 pm #1960373
Jackk, um, I’m pretty sure that counting votes that were cast in a way that’s not in accordance with the law, is voter fraud. If you want to discuss the laws, and how it’s “racist”, we can, but your post isn’t at all a counter to the claims of fraud I posted.March 24, 2021 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #1960391MadeAliyahParticipantMarch 24, 2021 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm #1960461
GH -“Health: Until now, most of us believed that the only Trumpkopfs more demented than Sidney Powell and Crazy Rudy was the Pillow Guy…(aka Meshugah Mike). Do you really want us to believe you are competing with Lindell for that title??”
I feel bad that you as a Jew – are promoting the Stealing of our Elections!
Why are you doing it?
Do you think that you are a Trotsky Clone?
You and the rest of you Libs think that Communism is the best thing since sliced bread!
Even Russia got over Communism, but you Libs want it for the US.
Why don’t you learn from History?!?
Why don’t you look at the Southern Border?!?
Because Biden is doing a much better job than Trump?!?March 24, 2021 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #1960462smerelParticipant
She was lying then. She is lying now.
IOW she is a typical lawyer and typical person involved in politicsMarch 24, 2021 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #1960479duskParticipant
Here is Sidney Powell’s response to all this rubbish you are speculating about
Sidney Powell ⭐️⭐️⭐️
Patrick M. Byrne
RESPONSE TO THE FAKE NEWS ATTACKS ON SIDNEY POWELL
– This defamation lawsuit is yet another attempt to silence critics and citizens who want to investigate voter fraud. The statements Dominion claims are defamatory are actually protected speech under the First Amendment because they deal with matters of public concern, i.e., election integrity. The Fake News media and their allies are spinning meritless claims because their arguments have neither the facts nor the law needed to hold up in a courtroom.
– The statements complained of are also protected because Dominion is a public figure and must prove that Ms. Powell acted with malice. This is impossible, as Ms. Powell’s lawyer has explained, because Ms. Powell’s statements were based on sworn affidavits, declarations, expert reports and documentary evidence. She presented this evidence for all to see in four court filings and on her website.
– Contrary to what the Fake News is pushing, Sidney did NOT claim in court that ‘no reasonable person would believe her claims’. The press is using twisted legalese and manipulating the legal standard to confuse the issue, as they have done before in other high-profile cases. Ms. Powell’s statements were legal opinions that she stands behind, as they were based on sworn affidavits, declarations, expert reports and documentary evidence.
– Dominion claims that the evidence Ms. Powell relied upon to assert her claims concerning the lack of election integrity is incredible and not believable. Ms. Powell responded by pointing out that her assertions were her legal opinions based on the evidence she presented to four different courts. Accordingly, her statements are not subject to challenge under defamation law.
71.7KMarch 25, 2021 1:07 am at 1:07 am #1960554🍫Syag LchochmaParticipantMarch 25, 2021 8:52 am at 8:52 am #1960597
dusk – You can have affidavits from today till tomorrow, does not mean you can rely on them. Her affidavits were tossed out of court, which I suspect means they were worthless.
In any case, kind of surprising how anyone can be supportive of Powell here. She clearly lied outright about her ridiculous claims and should be held accountable for that. Or is lying, and mind you, people believing these outrageous lies engaged in an insurrection and people died (more people then died as a result of Benghazi), something you are fine with? These were not harmless lies, they were lies that led to violence and death.
Alas, what am I to expect from people who support lies in the name of politics regardless the consequences, so long as it comes from their side. The hypocrisy here is heartbreaking. I sure hope those supporting these vile lies are not, say, teachers of our precious children.March 25, 2021 12:32 pm at 12:32 pm #1960634se2015Participant
“ Contrary to what the Fake News is pushing, Sidney did NOT claim in court that ‘no reasonable person would believe her claims’.”
This is true. She characterized her own position as “reasonable people would not accept such statements as facts but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts through the adversary process.”
She’s not saying you’re stupid for believing her. She’s saying you’re stupid for not realizing she was never saying it as a fact. She was only advancing opinions and legal theories, despite the fact that she claimed that they were facts.
It would be one thing if she confined her claims and legal theories to court filings, but she gave press conferences and interviews stating things as facts while now saying you’re stupid for believing that facts mean facts.
And even with respect to her claims in court, legal ethics prohibit advancing claims like this without sufficient proof. Lawyers can’t allege specific facts in court that they don’t know are true and then say they’re just opinions and legal theories. That’s not how it works. And that’s precisely why trumps first team of election lawyers quit on him. Trump had every right to pursue legal claims for recounts and challenge irregularities. His lawyers cannot ethically claim as fact something that isn’t fact.
I don’t know if you can sue a lawyer for defamation for lying in a court document, but it’s certainly not true that everyone should realize that anything a lawyer says as fact is actually opinions and legal theories.March 25, 2021 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #1960652GadolhadorahParticipant
Health: What will you tell your kids at the Seder…”Pharoh was misunderstood, karias yam suf was faked and the yidden simply wanted to go to Orlando without reservations”? ‘
To justify you lying about a private business (which only became a “public figure by your lies”) by claiming “everyone knows I’m a liar and shouldn’t believe me” isn’t a recognized defense against defamation.March 25, 2021 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #1960654
ENS, I don’t know about vote switching, but I do know there were many many affidavits pointing to one claim-votes being counted multiple times. I also know that NFL officials spend more time reviewing a challenged play, than the courts spent analyzing the affidavits. The fact that the courts-many of them liberal-didn’t have the guts to overturn the election, doesn’t take away from the validity of the affidavits. Just think about it, how long does a standard murder trial take, after all the appeals? Months, years. You really think in a few short weeks, the courts were able to thoroughly review all the claims and affidavits? Thats ridiculous.
“Alas, what am I to expect from people who support lies in the name of politics regardless the consequences…”-coming from the party that shut down HCQ for pure politics, you should probably sit this one out.March 25, 2021 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #1960697
GH -“To justify you lying about a private business (which only became a “public figure by your lies”) by claiming “everyone knows I’m a liar and shouldn’t believe me” isn’t a recognized defense against defamation.”
First of all – I’m NOT Dusk!
You are replying to him.
“Contrary to what the Fake News is pushing, Sidney did NOT claim in court that ‘no reasonable person would believe her claims’. The press is using twisted legalese and manipulating the legal standard to confuse the issue, as they have done before in other high-profile cases. Ms. Powell’s statements were legal opinions that she stands behind, as they were based on sworn affidavits, declarations, expert reports and documentary evidence.”
Second of All – it was Dominion’s Reply:
“Dominion claims that the evidence Ms. Powell relied upon to assert her claims concerning the lack of election integrity is incredible and not believable.”
You Libs are so involved with your Manipulation that if the Truth hit you in your Face, you wouldn’t Know It!
Btw, you’re Not the Judge – let him decide if it’s a Legal Defense or Not!March 26, 2021 12:31 am at 12:31 am #1960732
Wow, tvp, some doubletalk there.
No less than Bill Barr said they lacked any sufficient evidence to make such claims. Lindsey Graham, an ardent supporter of Trump, said the claims of election fraud were nuts and nothing he can say will make you change your mind. But yeah, I guess ignoring them and numerous other staunch conservatives, including many judges (some nominated by Trump… “our judges”) who found these claims ludicrous and focusing on liberals who also found them ridiculous somehow makes your point more compelling.
Like Graham eloquently said, there is no convincing you. Maybe a sizeable penalty on Powell for her lies that helped lead to violence and death, is the best we can hope for here as there is apparently no redemption from the depth of lies you have dug yourself into.
It is shameful and disturbing that people who claim to search for truth would go on supporting these lies yet still. Fortunately, most yidden I know, even the many that loved Trump, recognize that these claims of fraud are ridiculous.March 26, 2021 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1960815
Ens your free to believe whatever you want but your not gonna convince me the courts processed hundreds of affidavits, with all the cross examination ect. in such a short period of time. And don’t give your garbage about “lies leading to death” when your party literally shut down HCQ for absolute pure politics, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths, and when your party is supporting the Systemic Racism Hoax, which has caused billions of dollars in damage, many lives lost, and insurmountable divide in this country. 1 police officer+a few trump supporters was the Jan 6 casualties, don’t pretend your all that concerned.March 26, 2021 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm #1960828
And besides, the courts ACTUALLY RULED-that what was done in wisconsin and Michigan was illegal, trump would have most likely won those states if not for what was done-illegaly.March 26, 2021 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #1960859
TVOP -“Ens your free to believe whatever you want but your not gonna convince me the courts processed hundreds of affidavits, with all the cross examination ect. in such a short period of time”
I’ll tell you why they didn’t.
E/o knows what the DemonCrats are, but they don’t know what the RepublicanNTs are!
A lot of former presidents that are RepublicanNTs are jealous of Trump.
This Chief Justice Roberts, almost never did anything for Trump.
He’s a typical RepublicanT.
So the regular Judges knew if they agreed with Trump’s Petitions, it would just be Shot Down in the SCOTUS!March 26, 2021 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #1960860
And one more thing I want to point out is that sidney powells claims of vote switching while possibly an ingredient, certainly isn’t the main thing that caused the Jan 6 riot. There were many other claims of fraud-namely what I mentioned previously-that had a lot to do with Jan 6. Not to justify the rioters actions, but if we are to discuss what caused the rally-turned-riot, we are indeed talking about legitimate claims that had nothing to do with Sidney powell.
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