October 14, 2016 3:47 am at 3:47 am #618522
When and how did it become a minhag Klal Yisroel to have a Siegelman’s cake by every Vort?October 14, 2016 5:05 am at 5:05 am #1187376Mashiach AgentMember
people today are going crazy by peer-pressure with everything, from expensive cakes which are gone an hour later to expensive fancy Simchas & expensive clothing. all caused by peer-pressure & then they wonder why they are broke with no money for food R”L
wake yourselves up to reality before you go broke C”V by living by the motto of:
“GET WHAT YOU NEED NOT WHAT YOU WANT”
a person can go out to eat, but to go just cause you want that fancy steak is insane. There are many ways to go on vacation without spending thousands of dollars that can be spend more wisely on your own family needs.October 14, 2016 10:26 am at 10:26 am #1187377ubiquitinParticipant
The minhag of Siegelmans cake goes back to the time of the geonim (it was just never written down) their are many reasons given for this heilige minhag yisroel. Pleas dont tell me you are doubting a minhag yiseol just becasue it wasnt writtenOctober 14, 2016 10:29 am at 10:29 am #1187378
The gantze frum veldt does not live in your area and there is not a Siegelman’s cake at every Vort.
It is sad that people have no imagination and feel they have to have exactly the same things as their neighbors, family and friends.
When our last married daughter’s vort took place a year ago Mrs. CTL and her mother baked and decorated the cakes and it wasn’t because I couldn’t afford to buy expensive cakes.October 14, 2016 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm #1187379gofishMember
This is a case of minhag hamakom. It only applies to New York and Lakewood, last I saw. As to who started this sacred minhag – the feinshmekers, of course.October 14, 2016 1:03 pm at 1:03 pm #1187380MenoParticipant
Is that the long square one?
I thought it was called a Vort Cake.
I don’t think I had one at my Vort (in NY).
Was my Kiddushin chal?October 14, 2016 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #1187381
gofish, so I would think, too. But the reality is that you can find this cake at almost every which vort in the greater New York Metropolitan Area. I can’t recall a vort in at least well over a decade that lacked this delicacy. Rich or poor, Litvish or Chasidish, fancy vort and simple vort, they all got it.
So there’s got to be something more to it since, clearly, it is to be found at far more than just the feinschmeckers.October 14, 2016 1:15 pm at 1:15 pm #1187382
Meno, yes, the long rectangular caramel cake. I suppose some folks call it a Vort Cake but it is much more popularly known as Siegelman’s (pronounced Ziegelman’s) cake.October 14, 2016 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm #1187383
It’s popular and people go for it so why not provide what you know people like? I don’t think it’s a minhag, even as a joke, no different from having those awful expensive petit fours.October 14, 2016 2:21 pm at 2:21 pm #1187384gofishMember
Joseph, the minhag started with the feinshmekers, and then spread to the hamon am who wanted to reach that exalted level too.
Actually, there are cake gemachs in the NY area, where people can give their frozen untouched vort/bar mitzvah fancy cakes, and it gets passed on from simcha to simcha… So people may not necessarily be spending $90 a cake.October 14, 2016 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #1187385
From my experience the Zeigelman caramel log is often gifted by friends or family of the baal simcha. Generally costs $65 and from what I have noticed is one of the first things to go at a kiddush. Cake gemach is a nice idea but I have seen what I imagine are some of these. Not everthing freezes and defrosts well, or it’s not done properly.October 14, 2016 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #1187386Mashiach AgentMember
Sure cause every party planner has no choice and knows if it’s not included in the cakes of her setup package no one will hire her.
ITS CALLED PEER PRESSUREOctober 14, 2016 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #1187387iacisrmmaParticipant
What is a Siegelman’s cake? I have been to a number of lchsim/vort’s in the last year (yes in Brooklyn) and have never seen it.October 14, 2016 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #1187389
It is referred to as a caramel log, about a foot long covered with a mocha and chocolate frosting. I am surprised you haven’t seen anything fitting that description. But she also makes strawberry shortcake and other less distinctive looking cakesOctober 14, 2016 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #1187390Yserbius123Participant
Overrated, too rich and heavy. That describes a lot of people and the Siegleman hazelnut cake that they like too.
I one time was at a kiddush out of the Tri State Area where one went almost completely uneaten. People unused to it just don’t really like it that much. Which cements my opinion that it’s more of a status symbol than an actual enjoyable dish.October 14, 2016 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #1187391golferParticipant
Yserbius, your 1st 2 sentences are priceless!
(Perhaps not totally befitting the first days after the Yamim Noraim, but giving a person such a good laugh must be a mitzvah- Milsa d’bedichasa… Maybe not one of the 613, but thanks anyway!)October 14, 2016 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #1187392
I happen to like it a lot, as does most of my family. It’s a matter of personal taste. I don’t believe it’s any more a status symbol than the ridiculous nature of kiddushim and vorts, or the huge sums spent on flowers, or having hot dishes or cholent at a sholom zachor. Hosts want to please their guests. I don’t think it is anything more than that.October 14, 2016 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #1187393seeallsidesParticipant
It is beyond delicious-from the cake to the layered fillings to the frosting-mmmmmm – actually the whole block smells delicious when they bake their cakes-i have tried to imitate it, it’s just *not*-the other cakes are yum too, but the caramel log is my favorite, and it always goes first- also they sell a 1/2 log which is not too chintzy looking if you only want to spend about 35.October 14, 2016 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #1187394
I’ve bought the half log as a birthday cake within my family, and not for status reasons. We just happen to like it.October 16, 2016 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1187395YesOrNoParticipant
Yum!October 16, 2016 3:44 am at 3:44 am #1187396Lilmod UlelamaidParticipant
I never even heard of it before. But it does sound Yum!October 16, 2016 5:34 am at 5:34 am #1187397yehudayonaParticipant
All the cakes at my daughter’s vort came from a cake gemach. They looked fine and they went over well. There was a cake that looked like what’s described here. I don’t like bakery cakes (too much frosting/filling/goop) so I didn’t have any.October 16, 2016 11:47 am at 11:47 am #1187398
Regarding gemach cakes. I was at a vort where the gemach cake was just a prop–it wasn’t real, likely styrofoam with icing. Wish I had a video of the people trying to cut it!October 16, 2016 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1187399
I was in both the kosher catering and kosher bakery business in the late 1970s. Most of the wedding and Bar Mitzvah cakes we sold/provided for show were made of styrofoam, cardboard cake circles and hard royal icing.
The actual cakes cut and served were sheet cakes held in the kitchen during the meal. The exception was that the top 6″ tier of a wedding cake was real so that the photographer could get a shot of a bride or groom feeding the spouse a piece of cake (at non-frum but kosher cuisine weddings).October 16, 2016 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #1187400
CTlawyer–well I won’t argue with that experience, but in all my years and simchas, I saw the fake cake only that one timeOctober 16, 2016 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #1187401golferParticipant
So it was all pretty icing with no mammashus, CT?
Alma d’shikra !
As an attorney I’m sure you’ll agree that’s EmmesOctober 16, 2016 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #1187402
Clients were always given a choice and prices. A typical 4 tier wedding cake to serve 300 guests back then was about $450, a show cake with real 6″ top tier and sheet cakes cut and plated in the kitchen was $150. 9 of 10 clients chose to save money.
As a practical matter we could bake and frost sheet cakes and the 6″ round topper on Sunday for Sunday night chasunahs. But a 4 tier wedding cake would have been baked on Thursday and decorated Friday morning….by Sunday night guests would not be served a really fresh dessert.October 19, 2016 5:30 am at 5:30 am #1187403LightbriteParticipant
Omgosh yumms!!! I really wish that I didn’t look up Siegelman’s cakes because now I want to eat all of them!!! I’ll probably dream about eating them.
Are the ones not labeled dairy really pareve?
Do they sell them OOT?October 19, 2016 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #1187404
She sells to the public as retail. Call if she will ship out of town (Why do people use acronyms assuming everyone knows what they are?)October 20, 2016 3:01 am at 3:01 am #1187405LightbriteParticipant
flatbusher: Good point. I learned it from imamother and so true, I did assume that it was common knowledge.
Thanks for schooling me on this one 🙂October 20, 2016 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #1187406cherrybimParticipant
When and how did it become a minhag Klal Yisroel to have a Vort?October 23, 2016 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #1187407
You mean what they call a VOrt today? I believe in previous generations the Vort was the tannaim. WHat they have a vort today is no more than an engagement party and if they called it as such maybe this practice will become less popular. The lchaim can serve as both, and people do combine them.
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