February 25, 2010 3:33 am at 3:33 am #591281
we are all jews!!! cant we look past the politics??? i can understand that each candidate wants to win…but enough is enough!!! on the way home from yeshiva today, i saw some posters stuck to the side of a bus shelter basically saying that dov hikind is using the “machers” to intimidate other people and business owners to vote for joe lazar, because if they dont, he’ll see to it that they lose whatever government funding that they have, and at the end of the poster, was a line saying vote for david greenfield. now i dont know if that was endorsed by greenfield, i dont know if it was put out by his campaign team, but that is completely irrelevant! WE HAVE SO MANY ENEMIES OUT THERE, SO MANY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HARM US, AND KILL US ANYWAY, DO WE REALLY NEED TO KILL EACH OTHER?!?!?!?!? DO WE REALLY NEED TO HARM EACH OTHER?!?!? IS IT THAT WE ARE SO COMFORTABLE HERE IN GALUS THAT WE CAN SO EASILY TURN ON EACH OTHER WITHOUT THINKING TWICE??? i will be sending emails, letters, and calling the greenfield headquarters about this, and if they have any decency, or any desire to clear up senas chinam, they will respond with a statement saying that they had nothing to do with it, and that they frown upon such dirty campaign tactics! we really dont need this. we are all working towards a common goal here. does it really matter who gets into office? does it really? we are all jews, we all have the same basic interests…let the sinas chinam go! lets help bring moshiach.February 25, 2010 3:37 am at 3:37 am #675234
Do we really ‘all’ have the ‘same’ basic interests?February 25, 2010 3:42 am at 3:42 am #675235
as religious jews? i think so…besides thats irrelevant even if we dont…going around spreading unbased lies like that is disgusting. if they had proof, they should have submitted it to a newspaper…like the hamodia or the daily news…or hereFebruary 25, 2010 4:24 am at 4:24 am #675236
I was referring to the non religious Jews including those who only pretend to be religious and wear their ‘frumkeit’ like a mask or disguise.February 25, 2010 4:53 am at 4:53 am #675237
any candidate in specific youre referring to?February 25, 2010 4:55 am at 4:55 am #675238
No, I’m not even talking about candidates necessarily, just regular
Jews like some I knew and who had their part in ruining my life.February 25, 2010 5:15 am at 5:15 am #675239
Hereorthere, sadly we all know such people. We just need to stay around good people, people who do what is right. And we B”H have enough of them!!February 25, 2010 5:24 am at 5:24 am #675240
Well I was taught in yeshivah that ahavas yisroael meant that someoe would do for any other Jew anything they would do for themselves and I have never in my life met anyone who would do that for me.February 25, 2010 6:12 am at 6:12 am #675241
Here/there- are you referring to something specific? Because I myself know so many extraordinary yidden that would literally do ANYTHING for their jewish brothers. I can’t imagine why you are saying that.February 25, 2010 8:12 am at 8:12 am #675242
does that make what was displayed on that poster acceptable? there’s no reason to further the problem if indeed there is a problem at all…just because something is, does not mean it has to be, this display of political mudslinging is detestable. period. i urge you all to contact david greenfield’s campaign and urge him to make a statement about this abominable display! whether or not he approved or perpetuated this nonsense, he is in a position to stop it. please urge him to do so.February 25, 2010 8:35 am at 8:35 am #675243anuranParticipant
I never met my father’s father. But by all reports he only had one standard for a political candidate. “Is he good for the Jews and the Italians?”February 25, 2010 10:00 am at 10:00 am #675244
smartcookie would that include giving them money to start a business like they would for their own children?
Would it include letting them saty as long as necessary in their homes if they have no other place to stay, even for many years like they would want for themselves if they themselves had no place and no way to get the money to pay for one?
See if someone tells me they would do ‘anything’ I expect it to mean ‘anything’.February 25, 2010 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #675245
As far as $, did that person have so much money to give away?
As far as having someone living in there home- my sister had a girl living by her because she had no one else. It all worked fine until this girl really started misbehaving and setting a bad example for her own kids.
She tried everything, and I mean everything, to help her. My sister doesn’t give up so quick. She ran around to therapists and tried to approach with good and bad, but after months of trying nothing worked.
Her own home and kids were terribly affected and she had no choice but to send this girl away.
I don’t know your situation but sometimes one has to do what is good for their family and help other pple in different ways.
I really feel for you that you feel so helpless but maybe you’re not affiliated with the right people?February 25, 2010 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #675246
Yes, some of those who hurt me, had plenty of money, and the rest of them certainly could have told their friends and acquaintances to shut up when they said Loshon Hara
about me or about anyone else for that matter.
Also some of them could have hired me for jobs that could have led to good careers, but they told me things like “I’d rather hire a non Jew who is trained then bother with training a Jew hwo has no experience”, and the ones I am talking about were not ‘risking their business or livelyhood’ in any way by training someone, they just did not feel like doing it.
OK perhaps I haven’t found “the right people”, they must be scarcer then hens teeth.February 25, 2010 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #675247
Wow, hereorthere. It does sound tough from what your saying. I wish we would understand those people’s intentions.
If only those pple would realize how much their help would mean to you, and how disappointing it is that they turned away.February 25, 2010 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #675249jewishsoulMember
jphone, that sounded harsh. See the screen names thread.February 25, 2010 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #675250
Jphone, how can you say that?
You can’t make such a statement in public.
For the chance that his situation is so bad, imagine how you just added salt to the wounds…
People with comments like yours make teens go OTD.February 25, 2010 5:16 pm at 5:16 pm #675253jphoneMember
Jewishsoul. Please link what you want me to see. I have no idea.
Smartcookie. On the chance his situation is so bad, he should get help. that is also the advice you should give him. making excuses for why people did or did not help him, or help him in the way he felt appropriate doesnt make anything better and has absolutely nothing to do with the name of this thread. even if he tries to create a tenuous link by using the term “frum people”.February 25, 2010 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #675254
JPHONE- this time you are 100% correct. He must seek serious help which it doesn’t seem to me that he got until now.
But please don’t attack people like this in the future. You might do permanent damage. You can never know if they’re in a bad situation…February 25, 2010 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #675255jphoneMember
Attack? If this doesnt get deleted before you have a chance to read it, I still dont see an attack in stating that “if you are a teenager looking to yank someones chain (not written the 1st time, but certainly meant – and are making up an angry at the world person) its not funny, even “adar” has its limits.”February 25, 2010 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #675256
Well, if its true that he’s in this situation, then he feels attacked, or call it what you want but I’m sure you got the message.February 25, 2010 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #675257jewishsoulMember
Not savvy enough to know how to link posts. He explained his situation on the last page of that thread.
And when people speak from pain, it’s always better to be safe and speak gently then accuse them of putting on an act.
I’ll never forget when a suicidal friend called up a mental health helpline and wasn’t taken seriously.February 25, 2010 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #675258
Heuy jphone what is ‘tenuous’ about talking about sinas chinnom under a thread with Sinnas Chinnom in the title?
Also what makes you think you have the right to judge others and decide who is “making things up”.
I did not know anyone died and made you G-d.
And there is no ‘help’ available.
What people usually mean by “help” in that sense is psychiatric help which does absolutely nothing to pay rent for someone who has no money or helps in other situations whidch are purely physical problems having nothing to with mental problems.
If a holocaust survivor says these things (or much stronger) everyone ‘understands’ and no one dares tell them to “go get (psychiatric) help”.
But there is no point in talking about sinnas chinnom in city politics when there is so much that si so much closer to home.February 25, 2010 9:04 pm at 9:04 pm #675259
there is no point?!? really??? just because we have bigger problems does that mean we should not address the smaller problems??? that is so wrong. each problem must be dealt with as it comes up.February 25, 2010 9:16 pm at 9:16 pm #675260
Perhaps if a persons life is so wonderful that what they have to look for to focus on is politicians then it might look like a real problem.
But so someone who has been lied to and cheated pratcially from birth and can’t wiat to be dead. such things do not look like the biggest probelms..
In any case the outside politics are symptoms not causes of the problems.February 25, 2010 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #675261
um…we arent all suicidal…i dont mean to sound callous but we are all in different groups and we all have different problems granted a person like that does have more pressing problems, but that does not mean that public lashon hara and sinas chinam are acceptable.February 25, 2010 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #675262
No it’s not acceptable.
My point is that it is better to stop sink from overflowing in the first place then to try and clean up the mess after it has been made.
If loshon hara were shown zero tolerance when the kids are and home and when they first go to yeshivah, they never grow up to become politicians who will use loshon hara in public attacks on each other.
I once worked in a place till late at night and one night a woman walked in asking for some masking tape to cover of an untznius ad on a public buss stop.
I thought doing something like that in a neigborhood with many many non Jews in it, would make all frum yidden look like fanatics and be a chillul H-shs-m.
I told her that it would be far better for people to enforce the tznius in their own houses like making sure the girls and women did not wear the dresses and skirts that
have the slit at the bottom because the (I had heard and was not paskening, just reviewing what I had remembered learning) Halacha (to the best of my knowleddge) was that the v sahped slits openings at the bottom even if below the knees were untznius even if they had solid material behind them and it showed nothing and was onlya decoration it still was untznius Al Pi Halacha.
She listened then walked out as she was leaving I saw she had ‘exactly’ the kind of slit in her dress that I had talked about.
Here was this woman campaigning against public tznus when she herself was wearing something Halacha said was untznius.
It’s the same with loshon hara and sinnas chinnom and I have pesonally seen it not ‘just’ against me but with siblings against each other and the parents act like it is nothing to worry about.February 25, 2010 9:41 pm at 9:41 pm #675263
i agree with you 100%. you are absolutely right. my point is, that yes while we have to work on the root problem, that is a long term project. and that is vitally important, however, it is important to deal with the symptoms as well while we work towards the long term goal.February 28, 2010 2:19 am at 2:19 am #675265
mods…if you can IP ban…do soFebruary 28, 2010 6:27 am at 6:27 am #675266
this is what happens when youngsters have their first drinks on Purim, then are allowed online.February 28, 2010 6:34 am at 6:34 am #675267
Ronrsr- this is no purim drink. His horrible posts are going on since last week. And his screen name doesn’t just seem to be any purim joke…how sad.February 28, 2010 6:53 am at 6:53 am #675268
I think the moderator has the power to close his account and ban postings from his IP. Wouldn’t that be sufficient?February 28, 2010 7:05 am at 7:05 am #675269
Ronrsr- hell either find another computer to post on…or hell get one of his friends to post for him…or some other person will decide to follow…February 28, 2010 7:09 am at 7:09 am #675270
I suppose I did see some prior posts. I either didn’t read them carefully, or dismissed them quickly.
Isn’t he trying to upset people here? Wouldn’t it be better if we just ignored him?
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