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How much do singers get from Spotify?

YouTube music has heimishe singers?

Ujm,
YouTube music has almost every song that exists, including every Jewish song you can think of. The artists upload their music or someone else will

Aaq,
Books are already very different from music. They are tangible

Aaq,

Who said anything about stealing from Spotify?

Shimon; that shitah is a daas yochid. See Shevet Halevi 4:202 Practical Laws of Money p. 117 cites a letter from Rav Karelitz, Rav Elyashiv, and Rav Wosner. Quotes Emek Hamishpat 4 (quoting Rav Nissim Karelitz) as holding that it is forbidden buy illegal software.
Igros Moshe 4:40:19, Rav Elyashiv (Mishnas Zchiyos Hayotzer ch. 18, Emek Hamishpat), Teshuvos Vhanhagos 1:829, Netsiv in Meishiv Dvar 24, Minchas Yitzchak 9:153

Rav belsky is quoted in piskei halacha as holding that it’s assur, as I have also heard it mi’peh kodsho personally

coffee, maybe you did not the scheme – he wants to buy one copy, then give it to a friend instead of the friend buying it, and pay missing revenue to the singer and not to spotify.

According to a quick search, spotify has family subscriptions and is trying to police “families” that do not live at the same address. So, they obviously object to that. Maybe reading rules might help.

ujm: What “contract” did you sign when you bought a book in Barnes & Noble or a CD in your neighborhood supermarket?

I don”t remember, that was too long ago! When you sign up for spotify, I am pretty sure you are clicking on T&C.

> Dina Dmalchusa doesn’t necessarily apply to issues between Yidden.

this is not between Yidden, it is between the Spotify user and the company.

at the end, could the OP do us a favor – and ask his Rav or Melamed or Morah? And tell us what he heard.

I was listening to a visiting learned speaker that combined two hot topics here – pritzut challenges in workplace and business ethics. The speaker proposed a list of humros to deal with the first issues and then went to a several kulos for cases like billing the company for the food that spoiled and was reimbursed by the hotel. He judged some permissible and some not, all with impeccable sources in poskim.

I was struck by the dissonance between being the direction – all humros in first case and just burning desire to make an extra buck in the second – and the great bonding with the audience. Just when I was thinking should I object when everyone agrees, I was relieved when suddenly the Rosh Kollel starting shouting – geneiva, geneiva

When I asked the speaker privately, he explained that pritzus in workplace leads to irreversible damage – broken families, etc. This still did not explain the desire for geneiva. When I asked Rosh Kollel, he suggested that for him business honesty is the most important parameter for shiduchim (I presume he took a number of other things for granted as easily researchable, while business honesty is not).

Aaq, I don’t think it’s a desire for geneiva, I think that in mamonis issues with goyim or especially with corporations and/or the govt, we are not to waste our money or forego opportunities that are allowed according to halacha, especially if in doing so no chilul hashem would arise.

Shmiras aynayim is not something we seek kulos in.. it’s part of the yesod of kedushas yisroel.

Avirah,

So you’re pro gneivah now? Sign me up!

Avira,
I am with you on not paying extra to IRS, and so does American law, you are allowed to take allowable …
But I disagree in business. People see what you are doing and opportunities for both kiddush and hillul Hashem are everywhere.

I was once in an expensive course in job search after a layoff.. the trainer was guiding me how to highlight my strengths via light gnevat daas in a mock interview. I was a bad student. After several attempts, she stopped and said that she actually believes me more the way I talk… In an earlier case, a non Jewish employer told me later that he hired me over another candidate because I was asking about what I don’t know, and the other guy claimed knowing everything

“if those actions are not per se recognized as “ganavah” under halacha and there is no liklihood of being caught so therefore “no chilul hashem”. Or are you saying exactly the opposite which I think is what you meant (i.e. ganevah is ganevah).”

It isn’t geneiva if those actions are not per se recognized as “ganavah” under halacha.

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Avira > think that in mamonis issues with goyim or especially with corporations and/or the govt, we are not to waste our money

I understand what you are saying, i.e. we should not give presents, etc. Here we are talking about justifying questionable behavior. And, suddenly, the same people would spend money on better heksher, on nicer lulav, are eagerly looking for tirutzim to do something that looks bad (otherwise, there would be no shailah!).

I think we are just not feeling same respect to dinim as we do to hukim. The latter give you a feeling of being “frum”, while the former – just a regular member of the society, nothing spectacular.

Shimon – there’s a lot of misquotation here in general; usually i mix up names of sources when i make a mistake, but I don’t invent things out of thin air. The sources I quoted above were from a reliable melaket. If what I say is krum to you – simply disregard it, but just to clarify, you’re the one who wanted to be natir a potential deoraysoh of stealing thousands of times over, while i was saying that it’s not yosher, in accordance with the overwhelming majority of poskim. If you don’t believe me, ask any LOR, because this is something even MO are makpid on.

Gadolha, I was saying that AAQ’s description of the speaker sounded to me like he was being meikil on dinei momonus that non-jews would also not consider geneva, because if there’s no chilul Hashem (because it’s not assur and it doesn’t look like geneva to goyim either because they do it too)

“What contract are you breaking…”

The contract you are breaking is the copyright contract that is in every official book and cd where you expressly agree that you will not reproduce the contents without permission.

Singers make very little off of the albums. They usually have big contracts with Mostly Music or whomever that nets them only a small percentage of the sales, in return for the producer doing basically everything but singing and songwriting.

Once you release a song, you cannot stop people from sharing it. So you are essentially being mafkir your music. People can retain your services to perform, but it’s completely nonsensical to say you own a particular song. This is strictly a modern era concept.

On a lot of jewish cd covers it syas. ” unauthorized reproduction of this film is against both halacha and the law.” or such. are they lying? are they wrong?

There’s no contract when you buy a book or CD.