September 20, 2012 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm #604940
Just a quick Halachik Question. While I know that singing by the The chazan is an old question we have a rule ??? ??? ?? ????? the poskim take this seriously that even if you think you hear the one person it doesn’t help. Well that mean any integral part of davening that the tzibor sings with the chazan can’t be heard. So it the tzibor sings with the chazan chazaras hashatz wouldn’t that be a problem (Like sim shalom is popular to sing together)September 20, 2012 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #897146
I saw in the Mishna Berura that with regard to saying along with shliach tzibbur during the year (not Yomim Noraim) is assur and it is yuhara (gaiva) I believe were his words. I assume this din should still apply by Yomim Noraim but I cant pasken.September 20, 2012 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm #897147
It’s a Pele that the Pashut Minhag even in the biggest Mekomos Torah seems to be Lehakel on this. I have no idea why.September 20, 2012 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #897148
can anyone direct me to a source. something sounds off here as in many shuls much of tfilla is sung together.September 20, 2012 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #897149
WIY- source please ??
As far as the singing with the chazan- first of all, if you concentrate, then “trei kolai lo mishtame’ does not apply (see Hilchos shofar). Then, as today we are all “bekiim” we don’t have to be “jotzeh’ with the ball tefillah’s “chazarah”, so we can join and sing!September 21, 2012 12:50 am at 12:50 am #897150
rabbiofberlin the gemara is clear that only applies to something chaviv and doesnt apply to frequent ?????. You also need at least 10 people listening and that cant happen if people sing according to what im arguing.
WIY i was aware of the mishna berura but i’m just wondering about a real halachik issueSeptember 21, 2012 1:30 am at 1:30 am #897151
sbeph- do you have to have ten people listening to the whole beracha or only at thend for the “omen”?
as gar as choviv- when the tsibbur sings along, why isn’t it clearly choviv? and you want to hear the origianl chazan?
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