July 14, 2013 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #610052whatdoiknow99Member
Is it allowed?July 14, 2013 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #965440147Participant
I sing “Eli Zion” during the 9 days:- Even on Tisho b’Ov.July 14, 2013 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #965441Israeli ChareidiParticipant
The Anshei Kehillos Ashkenaz (Yekkes) accepted on themselves the added stringency of not even singing during the three weeks. To the exclusion of Shabbos and in order to enhance davening and learning.
As for everyone else, there is no specific Issur that I know of. However, if you’re going to sing, you may as well sing about Yerushalayim, Teshuva, etc…July 14, 2013 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #965442
Music in line with the spirit of the period would be appropriate: things like Eli Eli, songs based on mournful tehillim (the Mi Ma’akim perakim), verses from Eicha, etc. seem appropriate. One of the most haunting things I find myself listening to at this time is Antoine Brumel’s motet (a capella SATB), which is Eicha 1:8 and Eicha 1:11. Very moving.July 14, 2013 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #965443Israeli ChareidiParticipant
I believe the question was about singing – not listening to recordings.July 14, 2013 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #965444
I sing as I listen. As long as there are no instruments involved, and the music leads one to a state of introspection, what could the issue be? Does a person not sing when they go to shul? When the Rambam paskened that people shouldn’t play music in a world without a Beit haMikdash, he wasn’t referring to singing, but to actual zimrah.July 14, 2013 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm #965445oomisParticipant
When I sing “Im Eshkacheich,” it makes me cry about the Churban, so that would be a yes.July 14, 2013 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #965446
Many classical musicians set very stirring melodies to the words of Eicha/Lamentations.July 14, 2013 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #965447videobymottyMember
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why?July 14, 2013 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #965448YW Moderator-73Moderator
because we don’tJuly 14, 2013 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #965449WIYMember
Profound.July 15, 2013 1:36 am at 1:36 am #965450Sam2Participant
R’ Moshe and the Tzitz Eliezer both say that one shouldn’t, but I think it’s clear that the Minhag is not like them, except for certain sections of the Yekke community.July 15, 2013 1:53 am at 1:53 am #965452
As a baal tefillah, I am interested in this, Sam2. In Ashkenaz, did they change the nusach at all for the 3 weeks, so that certain emotions wouldn’t be expressed?July 15, 2013 4:10 am at 4:10 am #965453sam4321Participant
Sam2: where did you see these opinions,Piskei Tshuvos(I Remember seeing that he brings a shitta who assurs it wondering if it was them)?July 15, 2013 4:50 am at 4:50 am #965454Sam2Participant
sam4: They’re in the famous T’shuvos. R’ Moshe in OC 1:167 (I think; he says that Zimra D’mana is Assur and that during the 3 weeks and S’firah D’puma would also be Assur). The TZ”E quotes him and agrees in 15:33.
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