siyum hashas certificate from Agudah

@Getzel1: I think you may understand your “real question” if you put a few brain cells to work. Maybe people’s time (you know, the people that handle the phone calls, the printer, the editor, etc.) and shipping may be worth more than nothing?

I think that the certificate itself is without charge. Only if you want it framed & laminated is there a $36 charge. Please check it out.

How do they check?

What is it worth if you already know you finished shas anyway?

Take it to the Olam Shel Emes? What, HKBH can’t know that you finished Shas without it? (Actually, I feel like it might have some value in Olam Haemes. I feel like a Gemara in Bava Basra might say that.)

Actually, I’d really like that info please. I’d get one to surprise my husband. I think he deserves something for completing Shas (2nd time, and starting again). It would also be nice for the kids to see.

What good is the certificate? One thing I don’t understand is what is the big celebration for most of the people that finished shas through daf yomi? You cant learn a blatt gemura with an hour shiur a day with out alot of chazura and know it good. How many of these people remember what they learned in the beginning of shas in bruchos , shabbos and even the beginning of nida? There is a seder called Yisruel V’oreisa in Williamsburg that learns an amid a day then the one from yesterday, a week ago and a month ago and Shabbos and Yontif is off with no new amidim so you have a lot time for chazura. I ended Yevumos and the beginning of Kesivis with them and learned it pretty well.

People should learn with the goal of understanding, not “finishing shas”.

Lets not make this into an anti daf yomi thread. That being said Curiosity is right. The ikkar is havana and remembering.

For an extra $5 they will make it a bumper sticker and identify you as someone who finished shas at the top of mt. washington.

Sam2, don’t you find that a bomb kasha? Chazal matir a chamur issur such as lying, which they barely even sorta, kinda, almost allowed for shalom bayis (you’re supposed to try to twist the truth – not straight up lie), and all for the purpose of not answering one specific question. And yet, you would still find it permissible to ignore that unprecedented heter and answer the question? Even Yitzchak when going to get the brachos from Avraham didn’t straight up lie, he twisted the words… FOR THE BRACHOS!!!.. but it’s still okay to lie to avoid telling someone you learned shas, and you say that you don’t have to avoid the question?

Am I totally missing something?

Lol.. Oops… brain slip. Thanks! As embarrassing as that mistake is, my point still stands.

Merchandising.

dullrad, are you for real?

If so, my suggestion: get the Mods to put you in contact with apushatayid. The extra $5 he charges is well worth it. His bumper sticker is by far the BEST!!

I just saw a kuntres that was distributed in shuls blasting daf yomi and the Agudah. It contained quotes from many gedolim, inlcuding the Kedushas Tzion of Bobov, The Satmar Rov, and many others. Within a few minutes, it was clear that this kuntres was nothing of ther than ???? ?????, and I lifted the pile and threw it into the garbage can. If someone does not want to learn daf yomi, that is okay with me. If someone holds a shittah that such learning is ineffective, they are entitled to their opinion. But to spend money, time, and energy to fight a kinus of Klal Yisroel celebrating the learning of Shas is kefira, and stands against Torah. I treated these publications the same as I would literature from the missionaries.

I hold the gedolim quoted in that kuntres in the highest of respect. What they said in their time is not relevant today, and disseminating those opinions today is unfair and dishonest, even offensive to the tzaddikim who spoke to their generation. I do not question their judgment. Just note when they spoke and to whom they did so.

I’m pretty sure ive heard the excuse of “you’ll never remember it anyway” oh yeah! thats right! its from the Yetzer hara. He tells it to me a 1000 times a day. eh, why go to minyan your soooo tired and will just mumble the words anyway. or “why open a sefer for two minutes on the bus, you’ll never remember it anyway” THE YEZTER HARAH.

correct, a yeshiva bachor should not ONLY learn daf yomi.

But anyone whos got the gall to say a working man who wakes up every morning, day in and day out before his workday to go to a daf yomi shuir, isnt doing great things and getting massive shcar, is clearly an AM HAHARATZ GADOL, who i would gladly like to show where he can put his worthless opinions.

@ workingharder.

Dear workingharder, let’s please not lose our cool. Nobody claimed there’s no schar in learning daf yomi. The tainuh that many gedolim have against daf yomi is that it has cheapened the quality of limud haTorah in kllal Yisroel, and replaced it with hype, shtick, and superficial learning.

If you are someone who already knows how to learn then there’s no reason to spend your precious learning time skimming through a whole daf of Gemara. You should learn it properly, slowly, like a mensch, without skipping the havana and iyun- which is the ikar in learning.

Ela mai, you might be someone who isn’t well trained, and doesn’t know how to learn… Well instead of taking that little time you have out of your business day to go to a shiur that blows through a daf in an hour (which is the average daf shiur time), with little understanding, for the sake of “finishing Shas”, you should be going to a real shiur that trains you how to learn, and teaches you proper techniques in learning.

It’s not that there’s no schar in daf. There IS schar in daf, but you shouldn’t do daf for the same reason that yeshivah guys don’t have a seder for Tehillim recitations.

Curiosity: Issur Chamur of lying? Look at the Rishonim around Kesuvos 17.

Curiosity: If I recall correctly, the Rishonim discuss how Kallah Na’eh Vachasuda is allowed. I believe it’s the Ran who says there’s no Issur in lying. The only Issur is on Dayanim or in business. And Beis Shammai doesn’t allow that because they hold that institutionalized lying is Assur, even if normally lying isn’t.

For those that don’t believe in learning Daf Yomi:

I read that when the Chofetz Chaim heard about the idea of Daf Yomi, he said he saw the pages of the gemara that no one usually learned, dancing around the kisai ha kovod from joy.