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Do you skip?
How much?
Do you just say Baruch She’amar, Ashrei, and Yishtabach?
Do you daven everything in order even at the expense of tefilla b’tzibbur?
depends on how late I get to davening
The first thing people sacrifice when they come late to shul is the korbanos.
Since becoming an avel, I’ve actually made it to shul on time every day, so I don’t need to skip. I manage to say it all every day.
That does not mean, however, that I actually pay attention all the time. Sadly, that is far from the case.
Body present, mind… not so much.
The Wolf
The first thing people sacrifice when they come late to shul is the korbanos.
I remember getting a laugh out of that the first time I heard it.
(Yeah, I know I’m sick to find humor in a joke about skipping parts of davening.)
The Wolf
@mik5: Based on what you write here, you tend to follow the Mishneh Berurah. Look it up, he has a very detailed list. (Though last time we spoke in person you were a Shulchan Aruch Harav man. What changed? We should shmooze sometime.)
wolf: Some of us are even worse and sacrifice the akeida.
Why skip? Why not make the effort to show up on time?
True, but there are halachos in S.A. about what to do if you are late.
Why skip? Why not make the effort to show up on time?
Because no one is perfect. I’m almost always on time (even early) yet, as it happens, this morning, I overslept and got to the 7:30 minyan at 7:33. (Fortunately, they didn’t start until 7:40.)
Everyone has some reason why their late at least once in a while.
The Wolf
Yekkes are never late.
“Yekkes are never late.”
Or early.
Everyone has some reason why their late at least once in a while.
Oh, man. I don’t believe I did that….
I’m sorry, folks. That should be “they’re” not “their.”
The Wolf (who is usually pretty good when it comes to choosing the correct homophone…)
Wolf, I offer advanced refresher courses in English. squeak is my most recent satisfied client.
I remember hearing a shiur or something about this topic – which ones are the more ‘important’ ones, which ones, and in what order can, out of necessity, be skipped.
Wolf:
Everyone has some reason why they’re late at least once in a while.
I’m not talking about people who occasionally come late because of life reasons. I’m talking about people who are habitually late, no matter what minyan or time of day it is. There’s one guy in the early minyan I attend who always (on a daily basis) wanders in between Barchu and Sh”E, with a cup of coffee in one hand and his phone in the other. Yet, despite coming in so late, he still manages to pack up and leave with everyone else. (I should mention that this is a fast minyan; 24 minutes start to finish.) How does he do it? I don’t know.
There are others who are habitually late as well, davening mincha by themselves while everyone else is singing L’cha Dodi, walking into weekday arvit while everyone else is davening Sh”E, that sort of thing. That’s what bugs me to no end.
As my dad z”l used to say, “They should nail the doors shut 5 minutes after davening starts.”
P.S. Wolf, you have two errors in your original statement. Yes, you mixed up their and they’re, but your sentence should really read “Everyone has some reason why he is late at least once in a while.” Everyone is singular. 🙂
Shabbat Shalom
Takeh
It also irks me considerably to see these people who seem to come l’chatchila very late.
But this is an attitude that I need to work on.
And incidentally, on those days that I am able to feel favorably towards them my Davening is much better.
If I can’t change their behavior then to be upset about it only does ME harm. And does no one else any good. And I believe causes The Abishter tzar, so to speak.
Who knows their Neshamah. They may strongly dislike Davening for who knows what reason and background and are mesirus nefesh to come at all.
Perhaps in Shamayim they are cheering every time he walks into Shul. I’m talking to myself. It’s my challenge. And it’s not an easy one.
feivel:
You are correct. I should look at them more favorably, and it is something I should work on. Thank you for writing that out in a nice way.
Shabbat Shalom
I have a feeling you will have success.
It’s very rare, and a sign of true greatness for someone to decide they might be wrong, and then attempt to change. I’m impressed, and gratified.
Shabbat Shalom
Skipping is good excercise.
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