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  • #616001

    mik5
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    Do you skip?

    How much?

    Do you just say Baruch She’amar, Ashrei, and Yishtabach?

    Do you daven everything in order even at the expense of tefilla b’tzibbur?

    #1092209

    shmoolik 1
    Participant

    depends on how late I get to davening

    #1092210

    pcoz
    Member

    The first thing people sacrifice when they come late to shul is the korbanos.

    #1092211

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Since becoming an avel, I’ve actually made it to shul on time every day, so I don’t need to skip. I manage to say it all every day.

    That does not mean, however, that I actually pay attention all the time. Sadly, that is far from the case.

    Body present, mind… not so much.

    The Wolf

    #1092212

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    The first thing people sacrifice when they come late to shul is the korbanos.

    I remember getting a laugh out of that the first time I heard it.

    (Yeah, I know I’m sick to find humor in a joke about skipping parts of davening.)

    The Wolf

    #1092213

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    @mik5: Based on what you write here, you tend to follow the Mishneh Berurah. Look it up, he has a very detailed list. (Though last time we spoke in person you were a Shulchan Aruch Harav man. What changed? We should shmooze sometime.)

    wolf: Some of us are even worse and sacrifice the akeida.

    #1092214

    takahmamash
    Participant

    Why skip? Why not make the effort to show up on time?

    #1092215

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    True, but there are halachos in S.A. about what to do if you are late.

    #1092216

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Why skip? Why not make the effort to show up on time?

    Because no one is perfect. I’m almost always on time (even early) yet, as it happens, this morning, I overslept and got to the 7:30 minyan at 7:33. (Fortunately, they didn’t start until 7:40.)

    Everyone has some reason why their late at least once in a while.

    The Wolf

    #1092217

    Joseph
    Participant

    Yekkes are never late.

    #1092218

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “Yekkes are never late.”

    Or early.

    #1092219

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Everyone has some reason why their late at least once in a while.

    Oh, man. I don’t believe I did that….

    I’m sorry, folks. That should be “they’re” not “their.”

    The Wolf (who is usually pretty good when it comes to choosing the correct homophone…)

    #1092220

    Joseph
    Participant

    Wolf, I offer advanced refresher courses in English. squeak is my most recent satisfied client.

    #1092221

    Little Froggie
    Participant

    I remember hearing a shiur or something about this topic – which ones are the more ‘important’ ones, which ones, and in what order can, out of necessity, be skipped.

    #1092222

    takahmamash
    Participant

    Wolf:

    Everyone has some reason why they’re late at least once in a while.

    I’m not talking about people who occasionally come late because of life reasons. I’m talking about people who are habitually late, no matter what minyan or time of day it is. There’s one guy in the early minyan I attend who always (on a daily basis) wanders in between Barchu and Sh”E, with a cup of coffee in one hand and his phone in the other. Yet, despite coming in so late, he still manages to pack up and leave with everyone else. (I should mention that this is a fast minyan; 24 minutes start to finish.) How does he do it? I don’t know.

    There are others who are habitually late as well, davening mincha by themselves while everyone else is singing L’cha Dodi, walking into weekday arvit while everyone else is davening Sh”E, that sort of thing. That’s what bugs me to no end.

    As my dad z”l used to say, “They should nail the doors shut 5 minutes after davening starts.”

    P.S. Wolf, you have two errors in your original statement. Yes, you mixed up their and they’re, but your sentence should really read “Everyone has some reason why he is late at least once in a while.” Everyone is singular. 🙂

    Shabbat Shalom

    #1092223

    feivel
    Participant

    Takeh

    It also irks me considerably to see these people who seem to come l’chatchila very late.

    But this is an attitude that I need to work on.

    And incidentally, on those days that I am able to feel favorably towards them my Davening is much better.

    If I can’t change their behavior then to be upset about it only does ME harm. And does no one else any good. And I believe causes The Abishter tzar, so to speak.

    Who knows their Neshamah. They may strongly dislike Davening for who knows what reason and background and are mesirus nefesh to come at all.

    Perhaps in Shamayim they are cheering every time he walks into Shul. I’m talking to myself. It’s my challenge. And it’s not an easy one.

    #1092224

    takahmamash
    Participant

    feivel:

    You are correct. I should look at them more favorably, and it is something I should work on. Thank you for writing that out in a nice way.

    Shabbat Shalom

    #1092225

    feivel
    Participant

    I have a feeling you will have success.

    It’s very rare, and a sign of true greatness for someone to decide they might be wrong, and then attempt to change. I’m impressed, and gratified.

    Shabbat Shalom

    #1092226

    mik5
    Participant

    “walking into weekday arvit while everyone else is davening Sh”E”

    Well, the poskim discuss this case explicitly and say that one should skip Krias shema and its blessings, and recite the silent Amidah together with the tzibbur, and make up what he skipped later. [This is assuming that he won’t be able to get a later minyan.] However, some poskim do not agree with this [Arizal, Rav Auerbach].

    “davening mincha by themselves while everyone else is singing L’cha Dodi”

    This is also discussed by the poskim, who write that if you start Mincha before the tzibbur was mekabel Shabbos, it’s OK, but once they were mekabel Shabbos, you should not daven the weekday Mincha in their presence [this is a chumra].

    #1092227

    mik5
    Participant

    ItcheSrulik – Did we ever talk in person?

    #1092228

    mik5
    Participant

    takahmamash – Different reasons. Maybe the chazzan goes too fast. Maybe he’s about to miss zman tefilla. Maybe “a little with kavana is better than a lot without kavana.”

    #1092229

    pcoz
    Member

    Skipping is good excercise.

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