February 9, 2015 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #614825
Are you aware that
S. Daniel Abraham, the billionaire founder of the Slim Fast food line. Abraham is a major donor to the Democratic Party and the Clinton Foundation.
Chief consultant for the anti-Netanyahu election effort is 270 Strategies founder and ex-Obama campaign staffer Jeremy Bird.
Clearly, Obama doesnt like Israel as one state, doesnt like Netanyahu, and wants him out badly.February 10, 2015 1:58 am at 1:58 am #1058633
Sadly, POTUS is Muktza here.February 10, 2015 2:29 am at 2:29 am #1058634
Most Israelis prefer a two state solution (a Jewish zionist state and a Palestinian Islamic state). The alternative would end up being a state in which Jews and zionists are a minority (which is why the zionists favored in 1918, but very few do). Indeed, only the hareidim would find it tolerable to be in a non-zionist state dominated by Arabs – which is what a single state would lead to.February 10, 2015 4:32 am at 4:32 am #1058635
akuperma, how much land would you like to see given away for the Palestinian state, and in your opinion, will it once and for all make Israel safe and war-free and terror-free?February 10, 2015 10:00 am at 10:00 am #1058636BarryLS1Participant
The demographic narrative that we will be in a minority if another terrorist state isn’t created has been debunked. Those Chareidim that wouldn’t mind living in an Arab state can do so now, if they choose. Only, their lifespans wouldn’t be very long.
The more Obama interferes in the Israeli elections, the greater Netanyahu’s victory will be.February 10, 2015 2:26 pm at 2:26 pm #1058637
AZOLIS: I tend think that partitioning big countries to make small ones is “Balkanization” and doesn’t work. My opinion is that the partition in 1947 was a mistake, as well as the one’s a century ago, and that they should look at the boundaries proposed in 1918 (all Arab countries east of Suez, with a Jewish homeland within those boundaries). Its unreasonable to expect Arab Muslims to ever agree to be rules by others in that region, and that the zionists made a fatal mistake by switching from building up the Yishuv to building a medinah in which the Arabs are ruled by us.
However most Israelis and most American Jews support a two-state solution, so it isn’t reasonable to complain about a Jewish businessman supporting a policy that most American Jews also support.February 10, 2015 3:50 pm at 3:50 pm #1058638charliehallParticipant
“Most Israelis prefer a two state solution “
The last five Israeli Prime Ministers have supported a Palestinian State.
“look at the boundaries proposed in 1918”
No exact boundaries were proposed in 1918.February 10, 2015 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #1058639Rebbe YidParticipant
Splitting up countries always works so well to keep the peace. Just look at India, Cyprus, and Ireland.
And look at what happened in South Africa–they made 10 states for Blacks, and where promptly accused of being more racist than before. Do you see Israel becoming a darling to the world by creating an Arab state?February 10, 2015 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #1058640charliehallParticipant
The situation with Israel is different. Yehudah, Shomron, and Gaza are not and have never been part of Medinat Yisrael, and the government of Medinat Yisrael refuses to annex those areas.February 10, 2015 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1058641Daya ZoogerMember
Why is this information noteworthy? If these Yidden would chalila be mechalel shabbos bifarhesia would it evoke a similar outrage or indignation? My point is that even if you think it’s terrible, we are all aware that ba’avonoseinu there are many Yidden that are estranged from the right path. Why would you choose to highlight this particular deviation over others? I suspect Zionist leanings….February 10, 2015 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #1058642☕️coffee addictParticipant
i agree to the two state solution,
israel and jordan
after the six day war they lost those lands to israelFebruary 10, 2015 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #1058643
charliehall: At the end of World War I, the Arabs, led by the Great-Great Grandfather of the current Jordanian King, who up to that point had been based in western Arabia, believed he had been promised a unified Arab state including all Arabic areas east of Suez (then as now the exact boundaries where the Turkish and Farsi speaking areas blend into Arabic areas was unclear). The zionists (e.g. Chaim Weitzman, then the universally respected leader of the zionist movement) and the hareidim (Dr. De Haan was their emisary) supported the idea. It would have led to a stable Arab state, with Jews able to move in and build a homeland, but not to subjgate anyone or make the Arabs into second-class citizens in a non-Arab, non-Islamic country. The partition was dreamed up by the Brits (with the help of the French) in order to prevent such a state as part of their “divide and conquer” strategy. The war between the zionists and the Arabs was originally a plan devised in London, and the zionists (and the Arabs) fell for it.February 10, 2015 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #1058644
All those believing that concessions to Arabs have a chance of leading to peace, need only to listen to Dennis Prager’s 5 minute history lesson easily found as a video clip, with a simple search.
They (those believing that concessions to Arabs have a chance of leading to peace) havent heard this 5 minute history lesson, they arent going to listen to it now, nor will they listen to it at any time in the future. If they would, it will show them up for not being “in touch”.
Dennis Prager mentions, among other very valid points, how can you make peace with enemies whose goal in life is to destroy every remembrance of Israel, as heard on their programs, in all Arab countries, every day?
Our options are clear- we cant give anything up, we’ll only shed more blood, not less.
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