January 18, 2009 6:59 am at 6:59 am #633252
Xerox: eh not in the mood lol maybe wen I get to the computer…January 18, 2009 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #633253anonymisssParticipant
oomis, I agree with you.
~a~January 19, 2009 2:11 am at 2:11 am #633256
Whether you see it as paranoid or not, there are certain things that I am fudging to keep people from figuring out who I am (which we see is a good idea, based on other peoples’ experiences here). But one thing I am not going to fool around with is this – I am not a gal. Thank you, Will Hill, for reading enuf squeak.January 19, 2009 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #633259mazal77Participant
Smoking should be made assur by the Rabonim. I wish the yeshivas would be more stricter on it. We all know about the dangers of smoking, It just infuriates me when I see people smoking. My husband saw an a aquaintance friend smoking, maybe he was 15 – 16 years old. These kids, maybe because they are so young think that they are invinsible and that smoking will not effect them. I think the parents and the the schools should start warning kids from when they are in pre-school. When they are in elementary, they should be shown how smoking effects the lungs (graphic pictures and all)January 19, 2009 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #633261anonymisssParticipant
When my brother was in seventh grade, his bio teacher got a guy who suffered from lung cancer and now has a stoma to come speak to them. A lot of good that did. My brother smokes.
You’re right, smoking is a dangerous habit. The yeshivas have so many things that they’re fighting against, they need to chooses their battles. Unfortunately, the spiritual risks of the world today, are very great and yeshivas have their hands full just keeping their boys “here.” If they smoke when they’re here, well, at least they’re here and not there.
~a~January 19, 2009 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm #633262
smoking on purim is fine and only on purimJanuary 19, 2009 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm #633263YW Moderator-42Moderator
No, smoking on Purim is not fine. There is no inyan to smoke on Purim – there is an inyan to drink wine on Purim.January 19, 2009 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #633264
moderator42 show me that issur in halachah?January 19, 2009 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #633265
what is the difference between drinking and smoking?January 20, 2009 12:01 am at 12:01 am #633266
where is the issur?January 20, 2009 12:06 am at 12:06 am #633268
what is the difference between drinking and smoking?
Drinking involves swallowing, and goes down your esophagus to your stomach. Smoking involves inhaling, and goes to your lungs via the trachea.January 20, 2009 12:11 am at 12:11 am #633269
I’ll be back later. for now: good evening. moderator42: I was just wondering where you know an issur of smoking on purim?January 20, 2009 12:51 am at 12:51 am #633271AnonymousInactive
It is not fine to smoke on purim. There are many bochurim who get addicted to smoking from just one smoke on purim.
Parents – watch your kids on purim. Don’t let them have “the first smoke”January 20, 2009 1:36 am at 1:36 am #633272
smoking is horrible–end of story!!! get your head examined if you think otherwise!!!January 20, 2009 1:59 am at 1:59 am #633273RoshYeshivahMember
I smoked for two years while learning in israel and since my wedding have smoked maybe a pack.Never got addicted. Helps calm me down sometimes but i’m more addicted to hot chocolate.January 20, 2009 2:17 am at 2:17 am #633274yossieaParticipant
Smoking is 100% assur. The claim that is muttar because of Shomer Pisaim doesn’t fly, because we are not pesaim with regards to smoking. It is NOT the same as driving a car.January 20, 2009 2:33 am at 2:33 am #633275gabsMember
smoking on purim is bad because many bochurim start on purim.also most boys start from peer pressure(like me).personnaly its the worst thing to do because the second you start you want another.and its not like other addictions where you know its illegal and when you do it you know its wrong, since cigarettes are sold everywhere and its not illigel to do.and for all of you who smoke or know people that smoke(anonymisss
)theres a book “allen carrs easyway to stop smoking its a great book and helps you stop very easily(i personnaly quit smoking from it).January 20, 2009 3:12 am at 3:12 am #633276Will HillParticipant
But the cats out of the bag. I see you acted on your authority again today, in the Play Dough thread, by posting a note in yossiea’s comment to see your subsequent comment.January 20, 2009 3:33 am at 3:33 am #633277
asdfghjkl: I disaggree. ON purim it is mutarJanuary 20, 2009 4:10 am at 4:10 am #633278
oh come on! EVERY guy tries it sooner or later! and not everyone’s addicted – i’m not. but it’s a given that i’ve tried it. (nearly DIED the first time but that’s besides the point) any guys on here NEVER smoked a cigarette before? i’d find that hard to believe.January 20, 2009 4:16 am at 4:16 am #633279
moish01; i tried once & never tried again!!! as a kid a got burnt in the eye from a cigarette & had 3 surgeries-totally a side thing!!!January 20, 2009 4:22 am at 4:22 am #633280JosephParticipant
I have never smoked a cigarette (or any nicotine for that matter) even a single time.January 20, 2009 4:24 am at 4:24 am #633281
Yros: WHY does purim make it mutar???? What connection to smoking and purim?????January 20, 2009 4:28 am at 4:28 am #633282
moish: well then i guess i’m the first one.January 20, 2009 4:35 am at 4:35 am #633283
qwertyuiop: funny u & joe have something in common!!!January 20, 2009 4:35 am at 4:35 am #633284CuriousMember
Any of you have been to the BODIES exhibit?
I saw it in Manhattan several years back but I think it’s still around there, and it may have travelled through the US in the interim. I think if any of you would have seen a real set of scarred and destroyed lungs, you would think twice before picking up that cigarette. Or take a visit to any pulmonary unit to see 50 year old guys stuck on oxygen for life…January 20, 2009 4:40 am at 4:40 am #633285
asdfghjkl: how did you manage to burn your eye.January 20, 2009 4:47 am at 4:47 am #633287beaconParticipant
asdfghj- how’d you manage to get burnt in the eye??January 20, 2009 4:54 am at 4:54 am #633289
ames: what about an addiction to the CR?$January 20, 2009 4:56 am at 4:56 am #633290CuriousMember
ames – on the latter point you mentioned, you might be guy-less. In principle it sounds good, in reality…January 20, 2009 4:57 am at 4:57 am #633291
qwertyuiop & beacon-i wrote it a few weeks back at the start of the post:
as a child, i was once standing close to a smoker on yom tov when he got a ”light” coming out of shul. while he lifted his hand,to put the cigarette in his mouth, he swiped my right eye with the lite cigarette,leaving me in excruciating pain. i had 2 surgeries & almost lost my site in my right eye! yeah smoking is extremly harmfull to the smoker, but think of others too(in regard to second hand smoking as well)!!!January 20, 2009 5:01 am at 5:01 am #633292beaconParticipant
asdfghjkl, wow that is crazy. I hope the guy learnt his lesson..January 20, 2009 5:02 am at 5:02 am #633293
wow. must’v been painful. but you still tried a cigarette after that, right? everyone does! it’s just what kids do there’s no way out of that.January 20, 2009 5:06 am at 5:06 am #633294
moish01: yeah it was painful!!! i was goin thru a rough time in my life & someone passed me a cigarette once & i tried it!!! it almost killed me!!!
beacon: yeah the guy felt so bad he even came with me & my dad in the ambulace!!!January 20, 2009 5:14 am at 5:14 am #633295
asdfghjkl: wow that’s crazy good you weren’t blinded, i wouldn’t have had such a close friend.$January 20, 2009 5:15 am at 5:15 am #633296
ha! i know what you mean. (you get over that after a few tries – but don’t go there) i think once in a while just to calm you down won’t kill anyone.January 20, 2009 5:17 am at 5:17 am #633297
it was actually just 2 surgeries, my typo there!!!January 20, 2009 5:19 am at 5:19 am #633298
oh joseph, qwertyuiop – there’s no way i’m going to buy that. everyone’s smoked at least once. nothing to do with frum or yeshivish or anything else.January 20, 2009 5:44 am at 5:44 am #633300
qwertyuiop: yeah & i wouldn’t have had such a close friend like ya either!!!
moish01: i have no plans of goin there!!! thanx moish!!!January 20, 2009 5:48 am at 5:48 am #633301
moish01: my rosh yeshiva even smokes on ocassion(like at a wedding), it drives me crazy seeing him do it!!!January 20, 2009 6:45 am at 6:45 am #633302
what’s the big deal? i don’t get it.
and if you’re gonna start on a heath issue, take a look around. you’ll see plenty of people who smoke and live on cheeseburgers and coke and are obese and live long more-or-less normal lives. then you’ll see some people who live on organic junk and die young from a heart attack or cancer.
just live it up till you die. it’s all from god anyway, isn’t it? so what the heck?!January 20, 2009 6:47 am at 6:47 am #633303
ames: nope, in those days suing was uncommon, not like today that everything’s a law suit!!! & besides he was my dad’s close friend!!January 20, 2009 11:15 am at 11:15 am #633304JosephParticipant
moishele teiere, A lit cigerette has never been between my lips.January 20, 2009 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm #633305
Why don’t we just have a thread about asdfghjkl’s eye?! LolJanuary 20, 2009 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #633306tzippiMember
Yros, instead of insisting on someone finding a source that assurs smoking on Purim, can you share a source that shows that it’s a mitzvah?January 20, 2009 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #633307areivimzehlazehParticipant
moish- believe it. There are plenty of males that never smoked anything, ever. And I’m not at all referring to a chinyukJanuary 20, 2009 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #633308
joseph WHAT did you just call me?!
areivimzehlazeh: if you’re in any kind of social scene you probably will. i’m willing to bet my younger brother will within the next couple of years. and he’s the biggest goody-two-shoes in the world.January 20, 2009 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #633309
moish – you ask a very good question. The answer may be a bit complicated, but basically it is that God instructed us not to do damaging things to our bodies. Bring up this question to someone you look up to – I’m sure it will generate some good discussion.
BTW, I have smoked. A few times only, though.January 20, 2009 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #633310
not sure if i really want an answer. i don’t smoke on a regular basis (i’m underage anyway) but i do once in a while.
and going by your answer still doesn’t explain anything. it’s not guaranteed that smoking hurts anyone. if you’re meant to die, you’ll die anyway, right? so what does smoking have to do with anything? my uncle died really young and my aunt is very into health. he didn’t smoke, worked out, ate all the right things and had a heart attack at 52. (and there’s no heart condition in the family at all.) it was just some freaky random thing.January 20, 2009 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #633311chofetzchaimMember
asdfghjkl: I once heard a story about a man who sued his own son because of an injury he suffered in his son’s house. The home owners insurance covered it so the son didn’t lose anything.
moish01: I have never smoked. I can’t even stand being around someone who has recently smoked because of the smell on their breath and clothes. I have many friends who unfortunately do smoke. I also have many friends who I believe have never tried a cigarette in their life.
yros: You asked, “where is the issur?” I ask you, if there is no issur then why don’t you do it the rest of the year and if there is an issur, why is it muttar on Purim? You also asked, “what is the difference between drinking and smoking?” If you learn through the halachos of Purim you will see that there is a mitzvah to drink wine on Purim. There are different opinions and minhagim about how to fulfill this mitzvah. Some people even extend the mitzvah to drinking alcoholic beverages other than wine. Everyone agrees that if it is damaging to your body you should not drink. No where in halacha does it say anything about a mitzvah to smoke on Purim.
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