August 29, 2011 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #598981shooeeyParticipant
a guy comes up to shamayim and beis din shel maala asks him why he did aveiros if he believed in schar vionesh. he says he was a real believer but his taavos were to strong so even though he believed that he was going to be punished for his aveiros he did them anyway.
beis din shel maalah says that they think that he was not a real believer because if he really believed that he was going to be punished for his aveiros then he would have had the self control not to do his aveiros. he adamantly denies this and claims that he is a maamin just with not enough self control when faced with a nisayon that was geshmak today and the punishment would not be for a while. beis din shel maalah says they can prove that he had self control even when he had an option for something geshmak today and probally would not have any reprucusions for a while. and the proof is that the reason you didn’t smoke even though it was so geshmak was because you were scared of getting sick many years down the line.!!!!!!!!!!! so all non smokers you better not do aveiros (unless you have a different reason fer not smoking)August 29, 2011 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #803964
amenAugust 29, 2011 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #803965yitayningwutParticipant
I like your warped logic 😉
*smoking a cigarette*August 29, 2011 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #803966deiyezoogerMember
What are you drinking?
I don’t smoke, does that mean I have a stronger self control then a smoker? NO, it means smoking is not my nisoyoin. That dosen’t mean I don’t strugle with other nisyoinois.
If smoking is your justifecation for other eveiros please be awear that smoking is a sin by itself.August 29, 2011 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #803967
thanks for the laugh.August 29, 2011 10:16 pm at 10:16 pm #803968YehudahTzviParticipant
They say non cigar smokers don’t live longer… it just feels that way.
Cigars in the sukkah… nothing better.August 29, 2011 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #803969deiyezoogerMember
I have no problem with someone smoking but I’m having a problem with someone who thinks that smoking will give him a pass in olam habah.August 29, 2011 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #803970CheinMember
You should have a problem with someone smoking.August 29, 2011 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm #803971MDGParticipant
aveirah goreret aveirah
Using smoking to justify other sins.August 29, 2011 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #803972ChachamParticipant
oh ok so i should just give in to all my taavos so i can say i have no self control? keep in mind in bes din shel maleh they wil not just judge by the apparent action. If one had self control not to smoke and he did smoke in bes din shel maaleh it stil means he has self control . but i do not know why I am wasting my time responding to this.August 30, 2011 1:23 am at 1:23 am #803973oyveykidsthesedaysMember
An addict doesn’t think ahead, and when he is about to, he forces himself not to think about it. This is true regarding every aveirah. An alcohol addict will drink to the death. A gambling addict can put himself in a situation in which he has to sell his house, or the gang will kidnap his kids. A drug addict knows what will happen, but he does it anyway, because his ta’avah is so strong, that he forces himself, either consciously, or subconsciously, not to think about the consequences.August 30, 2011 4:30 am at 4:30 am #803974bein_hasdorimParticipant
All the smokers, you better stop and do Teshuva, because it is an
Issur D’Oyraisoh!!! You are not considered an Oi’nes If you started,
since you can stop if you want to.
shooeey, is it pot you’re smoking? or just cigarettes? 🙂August 30, 2011 8:59 am at 8:59 am #803975
shooeyy -“and the proof is that the reason you didn’t smoke even though it was so geshmak was because you were scared of getting sick many years down the line.!!!!!!!!!!!”
Pink Farkert. A person who doesn’t smoke says – I didn’t have a Taava to smoke, if I did I wouldn’t be able to stop. As opposed to the other things, which I did have Taavos for.
But they will say to smokers -you have a big Taavah to smoke, but even so you didn’t smoke on Shabbos -so how come you didn’t control your other Taavos???
Shooeey -It’s not your fault because it’s the way you were taught how to think.August 30, 2011 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #803976twistedParticipant
A smoker is a mazik.
case one: I must attend a meeting or other venue, and there is a smoker there. I leave with the stink of his actions in my hair and on my clothing, which now must be cleaned.
case two. a multiple unit house committee pays to keep the place swept. A smokers wife doesn’t let him smoke in the house, so he sits outside and tosses butts into the public domain.
case 3: EY multiple unit. Wife does not tolerate smoking inside, so smoker smokes on mirpeset. Smoke drifts into upstairs neighbor’s windows. Neighbor closes windows against the smell, and is deprived of ventilation necessary to keep comfortable.
case four: a chain smoker smokes himself to death, checking out at 40-something with a heart attack, depriving the yesomim of a parent.
In most of these cases there is no recompense or remedy, and civil complaints are rebuffed. Is this not a great kitrug in din shamayim?August 30, 2011 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #803977CheinMember
twisted: You have a right to take the smoker to beis din.August 30, 2011 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #803978rfsMember
Bottom line is, or should be, u failed the test. Whatever the reason, you failed. So take that, smokers! u failed in THIS world and in the next.August 30, 2011 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #803979
ok ok ok everyone chiiiiil out. anti smokers wont be convinced, and smokers dont give a hoot about all your rants and indignation. its just one of those things you cant fight. and im maskim- coffee and cigarettes in the sukkah are perhaps the pinnacle of oilam hazeh.August 30, 2011 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #803980yicMember
i m smoking and i wane know if all anti smokers are watching not to be onder the sun brcause the sun is making skin cancer hashem yrachim or not driving a car cause hundreds and thousand of people are dying yearly from car accident and about bais din shel malah nobody know’s what is going on their but a friend told me that he wants to invest in cigrets cause mushiach is coming any day and all the old people who will come out of the kiver the first thing they will do is they will tell ask for a cigretAugust 30, 2011 4:38 pm at 4:38 pm #803981rfsMember
Yes, you are right! I don’t go into sunny areas without an umbrella and suntan lotion and sunglasses. I don’t drive, I don’t walk across streets. i breath through a mask, for fear of being contaminated by pollution/ germs. I don’t eat anything without testing it on my dog, and I only eat foods with nutritional value. I exercise an hour a day, I go to sleep at 8, sleep 9 hours a night, Don’t talk on phones because of radiation, don’t own any electronics for fear of being electrocuted G-d forbid, And only drink water. And, needless to say, i don’t smoke!August 30, 2011 5:15 pm at 5:15 pm #803982oyveykidsthesedaysMember
yic said: “i m smoking and i wane know if all anti smokers are watching not to be onder the sun brcause the sun is making skin cancer hashem yrachim or not driving a car cause hundreds and thousand of people are dying yearly from car accident and about bais din shel malah nobody know’s what is going on their”
The distinction between smoking and driving a car is obvious. The percentage of smokers who die early because of smoking, or smoking-related diseases, is roughly 50%. The amount of drivers who die in car crashes each year is less than one in 6,097. The percentage of human beings who walk in the sun, who die of skin cancer, is not that high either.August 30, 2011 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #803983ChachamParticipant
The tzitz eliezer paskens in 15-39 that one could be meakev a smoker because of hilchos shecheinim, besides for it being assur to smoke.August 30, 2011 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #803985YW Moderator-42Moderator
Many (if not all) nisyonos in this world would not be nisyonos at all if we could see the big picture in front of us. I don’t stick my hand in a fire because I know it will hurt immediately. Some people have the self-control to understand that even though smoking might not hurt them immediately, it will hurt them when they get older. some people see the same when it comes to aveiros. Aveiros are a lot harder because the damage we are doing is to our spiritual self, and our physicality blocks us from seeing this clearly. So yes, there is din v’chshbon, but don’t make a blanket statement that all non-smokers have self-control and will therefore be held more accountable for their aveiros. Hashem is the ultimate fair, honest judge who knows everything that goes on in a person’s life and everyone will be judged based on their situation.
But if you want to use this case of smokers as chizuk to stop yourself from sinning, kol hakavod!August 31, 2011 6:22 am at 6:22 am #803987yicMember
oy v.my grand father used to smoke and he went to docter by the 84 and the docter checked him and said evry thing is good so he told him i m smoking the doc.told him it cant be he checked over and i dont see nothing and he use to smoke more then a box a day he use to say that pepole are not dying not cause smoking only cause eating not good things he use to learn 16 houers a day anyway the black pepole are living much less cause they are not keeping their self healty and pepole who die from suger are much much a bigger % and pepole are not watching their self what i wane say is that cause the smokers dont have who should defend them like the insurance company who are attacing them cause they need the money and the govrement who need the tax so evrybody is pointing on them and more i m only asking shalis about smoking like smoking yom TOV only from a ruv who is smoking cause the ansewers are much diffrent and to the end who is not smoking should not start its money and by certin pepole it could harm their health but sure its not so bad like alt of pepole wane sayAugust 31, 2011 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #803988
Smoking might not kill every single person who smokes for a long period of time, but it kills most of them. Obesity is a major health concern, but not as much as smoking. And even if your Rov says it’s ok to smoke, most say it’s Ossur.August 31, 2011 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #803989
k but if he gets a psak, what do you want him to do run around till someone tells him its ossur. im not saying i agree with him, but if he has his rov thats he asks everything to you cant fault him.August 31, 2011 8:19 pm at 8:19 pm #803990
Toi – You can’t ask a Shaila from s/o who is Nogiea B’dovor -that’s like asking yourself. He says he only asks Shailahs about smoking to a Rov whom smokes!
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