January 10, 2012 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #601568
finished a mandatory class on smoking cessation. would of been interesting had i hadn’t read the threads here in the CR about it. most of the info here was actually accurate and very similar. the only difference was which POV i was learning it. i was learning it from the patient education aspect for RN’s while here it was a dif POV.January 10, 2012 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #843083
Hatlacha in your efforts to cease smoking. Perhaps you may want to quit eventually, too.
Just know that once you quit, iyH, the healing of tissue, etc., is pretty quick, beH.January 10, 2012 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #843084
BTguy, i’m a nursing student who had to take this class for the purpose of my course. sat through that lecture for 2 hours then one on VNSNY for another 2 hours. today was “mandatory sit in boredom day” in my book. B”H i do not know any smokers personally (besides a friend’s husband).
i did learn some niflaos haborei though. lung function starts to return to normal w/in 2 weeks of quitingJanuary 11, 2012 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #843085
Ah. I get you now. I am glad you dont smoke.
lol, “mandatory sit in boredom day” for FOUR hours? The lecture on cessation of smoking alone kinda makes you want to go out for a cigarette break, chas veshalom.
Being a nursing student is a big undertaking. It takes a lot of versatility, a good mind, and a lot of study. From what I hear, I think you will find it very meaningful and rewarding.
It’s amazing, in light of what we know about cigarettes, that they are still allowed to sell those things.
I heard there were about 70 known poisons that come from smoking cigarettes. And now, they found the soil for tobacco growth is infiltrated with radon. That means, and correct me if I am wrong, if someone smokes, they are inhaling radiation into their lungs. As far as I know, that does not dissipate easily, if at all.
I heard there is a way to remove the radon, but since that also removes the nicotine, the tobacco companies are not employing any methods to remove radon from the soil of their plants.
Hatzlacha!!January 11, 2012 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #843086
it was really a boring day. but i love school and all the classes so its 100% worth it. that and the fact i graduate the week of memorial day…. i wouldn’t choose a different career for anything.
my opinion on cig smoking is very harsh. i once tried to post it here and it got deleted. there are approx 6000 compounds in the smoke and 60 are known carcinogens (according to my lecture). and nicotine is the part that makes it addictive so not surprised they don’t want to remove it from the products. so thats where NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) comes into play when trying to quit. the other half is behavior changes which are also hard to change. and b/c ppl are so different, there are many options and ways a person can quit, which gives people options and choices how to quit. and because there are so many options and combinations, it took us 2 hours to learn 🙂January 11, 2012 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #843087
I have not doubt that your view on smoking is right on target, and understand it’s deleting because our community’s smoker are purely ignorant on the subject.
I just posted this a few minutes ago on another thread:
“I cannot tell you how many people in our community will argue that smoking is really ok and helps them to relax and is not so bad because its the only “bad: thing they do.
At least in the outside world they admit they should quit, have tried numerous times, and that it will probably kill them.
Not only that, but there is evidence that from the first puff, permanent genetic mutations can take place that can chas veshalom affect the smokers children to be born at some time in the future.
I just dont get it. Smoking, (even more than texting and internet), should be declared a sakana; period! Kosher phone; kosher mind;…… kosher body!””
Yinting. I dont know why so many in our community, the smartest on earth, support, yes, support the idea of cigarettes.
One would think due to the terrible rise in illness, that in addition to checking tznius, tefillin, middos, etc, people should be told to remove cigarettes from their lives.January 11, 2012 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #843088
i’m sorry, did you just say there are ppl who SUPPORT smoking? are these ppl in their correct minds???? that just hit a nerve. besides the effects it has on the smoker CH”V (hypertension, heart disease, respiratory diseases, type 2 diabetes, risk of stroke, not to mention the most obvious ones), it causes all sorts of health problems in those who breath the second hand smoke. asthma, frequent respiratory infections, increased risk of sids Chas Veshalom lo aleinu. when a person smokes they are harming more than themselves. second hand smoke and third hand smoke (particulates from the smoke that settle but the full effects are not yet known)is dangerous too. k vent over.
i 100,000,000% agree with your post. which is why, one of the deal breaker for me, if not THE biggest one is if a guy is an active smoker. s/o who quit has inner strength and should be applauded. i will not marry someone who says they will stop when married, when he has kids etc. my father used to smoke. he quit over 21 years ago and has not smoked since. i’m sure that after my rotation on a respiratory unit my views will be even stronger when it comes to smoking.January 12, 2012 4:01 am at 4:01 am #843089
Yenta -“NRT (nicotine replacement therapy)”
The latest news is – this doesn’t help. You have to use other methods.January 12, 2012 4:29 am at 4:29 am #843090kapustaParticipant
The lecture on cessation of smoking alone kinda makes you want to go out for a cigarette break, chas veshalom.
My dinner almost went out instead of in. Thanks.January 12, 2012 1:23 pm at 1:23 pm #843091
health, which part of NRT? single OTC tx (ie just gum), combo OTC (ie patches daily and SA (gum, lozenge) PRN? or Rx NRT (inhaler, nasal spray) also is ineffective? so they are advising going straight to Rx meds (chantix, zyban)? and one more thing, NRT plus counseling also doesn’t help?
or you don’t want to answer each question, can you tell me where this was published and i will read it. thanxJanuary 12, 2012 4:08 pm at 4:08 pm #843092
I feel bad about your dinner almost going out instead of in.
Was it too salty? lol
(I hope you know the line you commented on was a facetious/ironic comment with regards to spending hours in a lecture about smoking)January 12, 2012 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #843093
Yenta – It was in all the news online. It’s even possible that YWN had it. Google it -I didn’t pay attention to the details -like who published the study, etc.January 12, 2012 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #843094
[seems to be saying ppl who do it themselves take the incorrect dose of the products-too little wont work to control the craving]
kinda disappointed because there were no recommendations of new guidelinesJanuary 13, 2012 4:14 am at 4:14 am #843095
Yenta -Whom are you treating that you need new guidelines?
Way before this study came out -I’ve posted many times here that it’s a 3-pronged approach. Why don’t you read my former posts?January 13, 2012 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #843096frumnotyeshivishParticipant
I have never met a person who quit smoking who didn’t truly want and decide to quit; and I have never (yet) met a smoker who truly wanted to and decided to quit, and then failed.
As an aside, eating a lot (i.e. getting obese) is far less pleasant to me than smoking, and more likely to cause a premature death (I believe fewer than 1 in 12 smokers die before their average life expectancy directly due to smoking – don’t all jump on me at once… I said I believe. I would love more information on this question. Maybe they don’t publish this part of studies). I don’t smoke (anymore) BTW. I just don’t appreciate the manipulation of numbers that anti-smokers use to try to influence mass behavior, even if some of it is true. E.g. “Smokers are 20 times more likely to get lung cancer,” vs. “Non-Smokers have a 1/7200 incidence of lung cancer, smokers have 1/360 incidence of lung cancer” The CDC said the first one, I said the second one (based on info from the CDC). Both are true. I can even turn it around. Someone who quits smoking has an 80% likelihood of gaining weight. Perhaps it is healthier to smoke. Remember, figures can’t lie but liars can figure. Trying to maximize the emotional effect by being tricky, just because it is the most practical way to lower healthcare spending is wrong. Again, the incidence rate I posted is 100% neutral, and 100% agenda free. Stating the percentage increase without stating the original numbers, is a big fat manipulative lie.January 13, 2012 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #843097
not treating anyone but i’m kinda yentish when it comes to medical stuff. i like to know whats out there even if its irrelivent to my nursing studies. and even if i use the info for just one pt, its good to know. i’ll look for your posts when i have a few extra minutes. does your 3 prong approach work around the short term effects of the NRT? that seems to be the biggest issue; that they don’t have long term effects.
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