July 26, 2015 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #616092
Is it allowed?
Disclaimer: smoking kills. This question is about the halchic question of smoking on a taanis.July 26, 2015 8:39 pm at 8:39 pm #1165428lesschumrasParticipant
Ask a ravJuly 26, 2015 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm #1165429mik5Participant
On 9 AV – Only after chatzos, only in private, and only if necessary.July 26, 2015 11:18 pm at 11:18 pm #1165430TheGoqParticipant
I dont know if its muttar but im pretty sure its stupid.July 27, 2015 12:03 am at 12:03 am #1165432zogt_besserParticipant
“Rabbi Belsky holds that it is Mutar to smoke on Tisha BeAv.” A quote from this article: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/99369/practical-halachos-for-tisha-bav-2.htmlJuly 27, 2015 12:11 am at 12:11 am #1165433
I refer you sushibagel to this very week’s Parsha:- “veNishmartem Me’od leNafshoseichem”:- Hence each & every single puff inhaled 365 days a earlier is being a new “Mevatel Mitzva Asseh” of preserving your health, based on this Possuk in this week’s Parsha.July 27, 2015 12:49 am at 12:49 am #1165434
How silly of me.
I thought that if I include a disclaimer I’ll won’t get these kind of comments How silly of me.July 27, 2015 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1165435👑RebYidd23Participant
Assur things stay assur on a taanis.July 27, 2015 2:48 am at 2:48 am #1165436
ow silly of me. sushibagel to even entertain the madness of smoking and wasting your health & money.July 27, 2015 3:18 am at 3:18 am #1165437feivelParticipant
This must be very frustrating. I’m sorry.July 27, 2015 3:30 am at 3:30 am #1165438zogt_besserParticipant
The Mishnah Berurah (o.c. 555:8) writes about smoking on tisha b’av as follows:
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Basically, you are allowed to smoke in private and after chatzos on tisha b’av if you smoke frequently and it’ll be painful for you not to.July 27, 2015 3:34 am at 3:34 am #1165439lebidik yankelParticipant
the mishna berura says that it is assur – ????:?July 27, 2015 3:48 am at 3:48 am #1165440
I don’t actually smoke so it is rather frustrating to be told off for doing so.July 27, 2015 4:04 am at 4:04 am #1165441mw13Participant
IMHO, mik5 wins the prize for the most accurate answer – he’s basically quoting the Mishna Brura (although I think the MB may have only said that bi’shas ha’dchak). However, a very strong argument can be made that that was only true in the days of the MB when smoking was not known to be dangerous; but today, it is almost certainly always assur.
sushibagel: Some topics tend to make people fly off the handle, and irrelevant rants are a common effect. As you’ve apparently learned the hard way.July 28, 2015 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #1165442michoel kMember
why wouldnt you be allowed, your not swollaing anything. Its like breathing air Just a diffrent kind.July 29, 2015 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #1165443goofusParticipant
How about vaping?July 29, 2015 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #1165445
There are two potential issues with smoking on tisha b’av more than other days:
2. Hesach hada’as
As far as “1.” goes, if the purpose of smoking is more to avoid pain (i.e. I “need” a cigarette), I think you would be hard-pressed to find a viable issur on t’b at any time.
As far as “2.” goes it’s a question of degrees. Playing a game like candy crush on tb or watching many videos is imho worse than smoking. The rules of hesach hadas are for more lenient after chatzos. Smoking socially is worse than smoking privately. Everyone is always encouraged to maximize their aveilus through whatever means. One can make the argumnet that if smoking will help you sleep less in the afternoon, and you will therefore go to eg the chofetz chaim videos instead of sleeping (or worse), I’d think it is ok. The fact that this year was nidcheh could make all of the issurim a little less severe (or not). Those are my thoughts on the issue.
Also, “after chatzos” could also mean “after kinos”. See aruch hashulchan.August 12, 2016 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #1165446
Still nidcheh this year. #justsayingAugust 14, 2016 1:01 am at 1:01 am #1165447
cannot smoke ever especially NOT on tisha baav.August 14, 2016 12:46 pm at 12:46 pm #1165448takahmamashParticipant
Next question.August 14, 2016 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #1165449
takahmamash – i agree 100%.August 14, 2016 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #1165450
Based on verse in this week’s Parsha:- “veNishmartem Me’od meNafshoseeichem” Hence smoking smoking is Ossur min haTorah all 365 days yearly:- Period!!
Both Takahmamash & sparkly have the correct outlook on this saga.August 14, 2016 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm #1165451
147 – thats what ive been saying the WHOLE TIME!!August 14, 2016 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #1165452mrjadlerMember
who said that smoking is permitted at any time with today’s medical knowledge? Please do not quote rabbis from 10,20 or 30 years ago.
We know today that smoking is very harmful to your health.
I consider smokers to be stupid fools. There are many tools available to stop smoking.August 14, 2016 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1165453
mrjadler – i agree. there are people on here who will disagree with us.August 15, 2016 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #1165454MenoParticipant
If someone smokes on Tisha B’av, are they considered OTD?August 15, 2016 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1165455
Meno – you can answer that for yourself.July 22, 2018 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm #1562610
BumpJuly 22, 2018 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #1562654ToiParticipant
The mishna brurah is suuuuper sharf about smoking on tisha bav. suuuuuuper.July 22, 2018 5:00 pm at 5:00 pm #15626881Participant
If someone has such an addiction that the fast becomes so unbearable, it’s allowed b’tzina. On a practical side, it will make you thirsty and probably cause headrush.August 9, 2019 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1772148
Bump. Still nidcheh…July 29, 2020 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1887996
Bump. Not nidcheh.July 30, 2020 6:49 am at 6:49 am #1888064andyParticipant
Smoking in general:
I saw a psak of the Rabbanut Harashit in Israel concerning the topic of a Mamzer. A child was sick in hospital
and needed a blood transfusion. The father volonteered as a donor and after checking the results the doctors said that this could not be the father of this child. Now the question arises if this child is considered a Mamzer with all the consequences. The Rabbanut decided that medicine is a field which is developing all the time. What was considered the absolute truth 50 years ago was proved wrong and a new theory took its place and is now considered as a new absolute truth. If doctors say that the father cannot be parent of this child this represents todays sight of things. In the future a new theorie could be developed which could change the whole picture. We can therefore rely on the opinion of doctors ” lekula ” but not ”lechumra”. For this reason the child is not considered a Mamzer.
If doctors say smoking is detrimental to your health we cannot forbid smoking lehalacha because the proof of the danger of smoking cannot finally be decided.
All the above is only an idea which may be wrong, but I saw Tzadikim who were smoking and maybe this is an explanation for their doing so.July 30, 2020 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #1888149Reb EliezerParticipant
We listen to the doctor even on Yom Kippur, if he says you must eat. So, if the doctors say it is dangerous to smoke, we should listen to them especially in public. See SA O”CH (618,1).July 30, 2020 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #18882231Participant
It’ll make you even more thirsty
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