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  • #616092
    sushibagel
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    Is it allowed?

    Disclaimer: smoking kills. This question is about the halchic question of smoking on a taanis.

    #1165428
    lesschumras
    Participant

    Ask a rav

    #1165429
    mik5
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    On 9 AV – Only after chatzos, only in private, and only if necessary.

    #1165430
    TheGoq
    Participant

    I dont know if its muttar but im pretty sure its stupid.

    #1165432
    zogt_besser
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    “Rabbi Belsky holds that it is Mutar to smoke on Tisha BeAv.” A quote from this article: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/99369/practical-halachos-for-tisha-bav-2.html

    #1165433
    147
    Participant

    I refer you sushibagel to this very week’s Parsha:- “veNishmartem Me’od leNafshoseichem”:- Hence each & every single puff inhaled 365 days a earlier is being a new “Mevatel Mitzva Asseh” of preserving your health, based on this Possuk in this week’s Parsha.

    #1165434
    sushibagel
    Member

    How silly of me.

    I thought that if I include a disclaimer I’ll won’t get these kind of comments How silly of me.

    #1165435
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Assur things stay assur on a taanis.

    #1165436
    147
    Participant

    ow silly of me. sushibagel to even entertain the madness of smoking and wasting your health & money.

    #1165437
    feivel
    Participant

    Sushibagel

    This must be very frustrating. I’m sorry.

    #1165438
    zogt_besser
    Participant

    The Mishnah Berurah (o.c. 555:8) writes about smoking on tisha b’av as follows:

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    Basically, you are allowed to smoke in private and after chatzos on tisha b’av if you smoke frequently and it’ll be painful for you not to.

    #1165439
    lebidik yankel
    Participant

    the mishna berura says that it is assur – ????:?

    #1165440
    sushibagel
    Member

    I don’t actually smoke so it is rather frustrating to be told off for doing so.

    #1165441
    mw13
    Participant

    IMHO, mik5 wins the prize for the most accurate answer – he’s basically quoting the Mishna Brura (although I think the MB may have only said that bi’shas ha’dchak). However, a very strong argument can be made that that was only true in the days of the MB when smoking was not known to be dangerous; but today, it is almost certainly always assur.

    sushibagel: Some topics tend to make people fly off the handle, and irrelevant rants are a common effect. As you’ve apparently learned the hard way.

    #1165442
    michoel k
    Member

    why wouldnt you be allowed, your not swollaing anything. Its like breathing air Just a diffrent kind.

    #1165443
    goofus
    Participant

    How about vaping?

    #1165445
    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    There are two potential issues with smoking on tisha b’av more than other days:

    1. Pleasure

    2. Hesach hada’as

    As far as “1.” goes, if the purpose of smoking is more to avoid pain (i.e. I “need” a cigarette), I think you would be hard-pressed to find a viable issur on t’b at any time.

    As far as “2.” goes it’s a question of degrees. Playing a game like candy crush on tb or watching many videos is imho worse than smoking. The rules of hesach hadas are for more lenient after chatzos. Smoking socially is worse than smoking privately. Everyone is always encouraged to maximize their aveilus through whatever means. One can make the argumnet that if smoking will help you sleep less in the afternoon, and you will therefore go to eg the chofetz chaim videos instead of sleeping (or worse), I’d think it is ok. The fact that this year was nidcheh could make all of the issurim a little less severe (or not). Those are my thoughts on the issue.

    Also, “after chatzos” could also mean “after kinos”. See aruch hashulchan.

    #1165446
    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    Still nidcheh this year. #justsaying

    #1165447
    Sparkly
    Member

    cannot smoke ever especially NOT on tisha baav.

    #1165448
    takahmamash
    Participant

    Asur 24/7.

    Next question.

    #1165449
    Sparkly
    Member

    takahmamash – i agree 100%.

    #1165450
    147
    Participant

    Based on verse in this week’s Parsha:- “veNishmartem Me’od meNafshoseeichem” Hence smoking smoking is Ossur min haTorah all 365 days yearly:- Period!!

    Both Takahmamash & sparkly have the correct outlook on this saga.

    #1165451
    Sparkly
    Member

    147 – thats what ive been saying the WHOLE TIME!!

    #1165452
    mrjadler
    Member

    who said that smoking is permitted at any time with today’s medical knowledge? Please do not quote rabbis from 10,20 or 30 years ago.

    We know today that smoking is very harmful to your health.

    I consider smokers to be stupid fools. There are many tools available to stop smoking.

    #1165453
    Sparkly
    Member

    mrjadler – i agree. there are people on here who will disagree with us.

    #1165454
    Meno
    Participant

    If someone smokes on Tisha B’av, are they considered OTD?

    #1165455
    Sparkly
    Member

    Meno – you can answer that for yourself.

    #1562610
    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    Bump

    #1562654
    Toi
    Participant

    The mishna brurah is suuuuper sharf about smoking on tisha bav. suuuuuuper.

    #1562688
    1
    Participant

    If someone has such an addiction that the fast becomes so unbearable, it’s allowed b’tzina. On a practical side, it will make you thirsty and probably cause headrush.

    #1772148
    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    Bump. Still nidcheh…

    #1887996
    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    Bump. Not nidcheh.

    #1888064
    andy
    Participant

    Smoking in general:
    I saw a psak of the Rabbanut Harashit in Israel concerning the topic of a Mamzer. A child was sick in hospital
    and needed a blood transfusion. The father volonteered as a donor and after checking the results the doctors said that this could not be the father of this child. Now the question arises if this child is considered a Mamzer with all the consequences. The Rabbanut decided that medicine is a field which is developing all the time. What was considered the absolute truth 50 years ago was proved wrong and a new theory took its place and is now considered as a new absolute truth. If doctors say that the father cannot be parent of this child this represents todays sight of things. In the future a new theorie could be developed which could change the whole picture. We can therefore rely on the opinion of doctors ” lekula ” but not ”lechumra”. For this reason the child is not considered a Mamzer.
    If doctors say smoking is detrimental to your health we cannot forbid smoking lehalacha because the proof of the danger of smoking cannot finally be decided.
    All the above is only an idea which may be wrong, but I saw Tzadikim who were smoking and maybe this is an explanation for their doing so.

    #1888149
    Reb Eliezer
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    We listen to the doctor even on Yom Kippur, if he says you must eat. So, if the doctors say it is dangerous to smoke, we should listen to them especially in public. See SA O”CH (618,1).

    #1888223
    1
    Participant

    It’ll make you even more thirsty

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