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  • #616092

    sushibagel
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    Is it allowed?

    Disclaimer: smoking kills. This question is about the halchic question of smoking on a taanis.

    #1165428

    lesschumras
    Participant

    Ask a rav

    #1165429

    mik5
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    On 9 AV – Only after chatzos, only in private, and only if necessary.

    #1165430

    TheGoq
    Participant

    I dont know if its muttar but im pretty sure its stupid.

    #1165432

    zogt_besser
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    “Rabbi Belsky holds that it is Mutar to smoke on Tisha BeAv.” A quote from this article: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/99369/practical-halachos-for-tisha-bav-2.html

    #1165433

    147
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    I refer you sushibagel to this very week’s Parsha:- “veNishmartem Me’od leNafshoseichem”:- Hence each & every single puff inhaled 365 days a earlier is being a new “Mevatel Mitzva Asseh” of preserving your health, based on this Possuk in this week’s Parsha.

    #1165434

    sushibagel
    Member

    How silly of me.

    I thought that if I include a disclaimer I’ll won’t get these kind of comments How silly of me.

    #1165435

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Assur things stay assur on a taanis.

    #1165436

    147
    Participant

    ow silly of me. sushibagel to even entertain the madness of smoking and wasting your health & money.

    #1165437

    feivel
    Participant

    Sushibagel

    This must be very frustrating. I’m sorry.

    #1165438

    zogt_besser
    Participant

    The Mishnah Berurah (o.c. 555:8) writes about smoking on tisha b’av as follows:

    ?? ????? ??, ?????? ?? ?????, ?? ???? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????

    Basically, you are allowed to smoke in private and after chatzos on tisha b’av if you smoke frequently and it’ll be painful for you not to.

    #1165439

    lebidik yankel
    Participant

    the mishna berura says that it is assur – ????:?

    #1165440

    sushibagel
    Member

    I don’t actually smoke so it is rather frustrating to be told off for doing so.

    #1165441

    mw13
    Participant

    IMHO, mik5 wins the prize for the most accurate answer – he’s basically quoting the Mishna Brura (although I think the MB may have only said that bi’shas ha’dchak). However, a very strong argument can be made that that was only true in the days of the MB when smoking was not known to be dangerous; but today, it is almost certainly always assur.

    sushibagel: Some topics tend to make people fly off the handle, and irrelevant rants are a common effect. As you’ve apparently learned the hard way.

    #1165442

    michoel k
    Member

    why wouldnt you be allowed, your not swollaing anything. Its like breathing air Just a diffrent kind.

    #1165443

    goofus
    Participant

    How about vaping?

    #1165445

    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    There are two potential issues with smoking on tisha b’av more than other days:

    1. Pleasure

    2. Hesach hada’as

    As far as “1.” goes, if the purpose of smoking is more to avoid pain (i.e. I “need” a cigarette), I think you would be hard-pressed to find a viable issur on t’b at any time.

    As far as “2.” goes it’s a question of degrees. Playing a game like candy crush on tb or watching many videos is imho worse than smoking. The rules of hesach hadas are for more lenient after chatzos. Smoking socially is worse than smoking privately. Everyone is always encouraged to maximize their aveilus through whatever means. One can make the argumnet that if smoking will help you sleep less in the afternoon, and you will therefore go to eg the chofetz chaim videos instead of sleeping (or worse), I’d think it is ok. The fact that this year was nidcheh could make all of the issurim a little less severe (or not). Those are my thoughts on the issue.

    Also, “after chatzos” could also mean “after kinos”. See aruch hashulchan.

    #1165446

    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    Still nidcheh this year. #justsaying

    #1165447

    Sparkly
    Member

    cannot smoke ever especially NOT on tisha baav.

    #1165448

    takahmamash
    Participant

    Asur 24/7.

    Next question.

    #1165449

    Sparkly
    Member

    takahmamash – i agree 100%.

    #1165450

    147
    Participant

    Based on verse in this week’s Parsha:- “veNishmartem Me’od meNafshoseeichem” Hence smoking smoking is Ossur min haTorah all 365 days yearly:- Period!!

    Both Takahmamash & sparkly have the correct outlook on this saga.

    #1165451

    Sparkly
    Member

    147 – thats what ive been saying the WHOLE TIME!!

    #1165452

    mrjadler
    Member

    who said that smoking is permitted at any time with today’s medical knowledge? Please do not quote rabbis from 10,20 or 30 years ago.

    We know today that smoking is very harmful to your health.

    I consider smokers to be stupid fools. There are many tools available to stop smoking.

    #1165453

    Sparkly
    Member

    mrjadler – i agree. there are people on here who will disagree with us.

    #1165454

    Meno
    Participant

    If someone smokes on Tisha B’av, are they considered OTD?

    #1165455

    Sparkly
    Member

    Meno – you can answer that for yourself.

    #1562610

    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    Bump

    #1562654

    Toi
    Participant

    The mishna brurah is suuuuper sharf about smoking on tisha bav. suuuuuuper.

    #1562688

    1
    Participant

    If someone has such an addiction that the fast becomes so unbearable, it’s allowed b’tzina. On a practical side, it will make you thirsty and probably cause headrush.

    #1772148

    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    Bump. Still nidcheh…

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