Snowden: Traitor or Hero?

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    dabeen
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    I believe that Snowden is a traitor. While the American people have a right to be informed about their goverments doings, some stuff must be kept secret. Imagine if every terrorist assasination, or sting operation would be made public. If now terrorists will be more wary about using the internet, emails, or phone lines then Snownden’s a traitor.

    #962250
    Shopping613 🌠
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    Who the keck is Snowden?

    #962251
    haifagirl
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    Hero. The people have a right to privacy, and if the government is violating that, the people need to know.

    #962252
    [email protected]
    Participant

    Hero.

    What the government are doing is totally illegal and unconstitutional. A few years ago we were fight against the communists to give Russian people freedom of speech. In Russia the government listened in on telephone calls. In our fight to stop them we have become like them. I would be extremely surprised if any terrorist has been stopped through PRISM. This is going completely against the fourth amendment which was put in place to stop exactly this – the government becoming too powerful.

    I can understand if they were only listening in on terrorists and had to receive a court order for each person they spy on. But spying on everyone is just an outrageous breach of our privacy.

    #962253
    popa_bar_abba
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    Complicated. It depends. It depends what we decide on how bad it was.

    Would you rather live in a country where they data mine phone calls for terrorism, or where the people working for the intelligence spill their secrets and run away to Hong Kong.

    #962254
    haifagirl
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    Would you rather live in a country where they data mine phone calls for terrorism, or where the people working for the intelligence spill their secrets and run away to Hong Kong.

    I’d rather live in a country that doesn’t date mine and therefore has no secrets for people to spill.

    #962255
    Josh31
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    Traitor

    He appears to be on a grand tour of places where individuals are taught to lick the steel boots of their dictators.

    His tongue will be getting quite a workout.

    #962256
    younglady
    Member

    Hero

    The government betrayed its people.

    #962257
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I’d rather live in a country that doesn’t date mine

    Oh, you want your country all to yourself?

    #962258
    charliehall
    Participant

    Traitor.

    He has given (or sold) secrets to China. We just don’t know *exactly* what he gave them, and whether (or how much) he was paid.

    #962259
    haifagirl
    Participant

    I’d rather live in a country that doesn’t date mine

    Oh, you want your country all to yourself?

    Sleep deprivation?

    #962260
    adam3
    Participant

    Hes A HERO!!!

    Anyone that Obama doesnt like is a HERO in my books.

    #962261
    oomis
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    He is both. We really do not know for a certainty what his motives were, but if he sold secrets to China, they cannot be too pure, can they? OTOH, he revealed things to us that we had a right know, at least in part.

    Maybe people will think twice before posting their entire private lives on Facebook, Twitter, text messaging, etc. It was wrong for our enemies to be alerted to this truth about our country eavesdropping on EVERYONE, but I believe it violates our rights as ordained by the Constitution.

    #962262
    pinkdynamite
    Member

    traitor.

    it doesnt matter what he released- he signed a document stating that he wouldnt tell the world any of the confidential stuff he found out about during the course of his employment. he lied and that labels him a traitor.

    #962263
    Utah
    Member

    Traitor.

    He reveled secrets that had the US one step up on would be terrorists. Now things are different because he opened his mouth.

    #962264
    Toi
    Participant

    I really think it depends on whether this program is actually saving american lives. if they can prove that it has helped to whatever degree we decide to establish then the guys a jerk. if its regular govt. spying then hes just calling them out on it.

    #962265

    I prefer to judge the act rather than the person, but it was a HEROIC act. Since 9/11 the government has cut huge chunks right out of the Constitution, and the only terrorism they’ve managed to prevent are plots that were facilitated by government operatives to bring down delusional losers who thought they were terrorists.

    Think about an American citizen getting asylum in Russia or China after making the public aware of government surveillance, and that tells you all you need to know.

    #962266

    Traitor, indeed.

    Governments need to keep secrets. In particular intelligence agencies, military, etc.

    #962267
    2scents
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    I think that it really depends what he revealed, there might be more secrets he gave away to our enemies.

    However, if all he revealed was that the US is spying on its own citizens, then I think he is a hero.

    I think that each spying instance should require a warrant. the government should not be allowed to do whatever it wants if it is illegal.

    All (as far as I know) Snowden did was to reveal that NSA is doing illegal stuff.

    #962268
    cholent guy
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    Snowmen is a criminal mastermind and is working with Elvis Presley and Tony Blair to undermine the USA. But seriously, the issue is irrelevant. Anybody who does not already suspect that the government captures our every waking moment(and even some non waking ones) is either naive or ignorant. Knowing the specifics doesn’t really do much.

    #962269
    heretohelp
    Member

    Traitor

    #962270
    147
    Participant

    Leave Mr. Snowden alone. I hope he alludes the American Government for ever.

    Even if the US Government were so evil as to offer Mr. Snowden a plea deal, it wouldn’t even be worth the paper is is written on nor the computer memory where the e-mail would be stored on, in light of Jonathan Pollard’s saga, where we already know that the American Government will break any & all plea deals.

    #962271
    gefen
    Participant

    I understand the thing about us having a right to our privacy. I get it. HOWEVER – we live in a crazy world now and I believe the government should do whatever they can to protect us. Hey – I have nothing to hide – I’m not planning on blowing up anyone, etc.. So why should I care if they have my phone and email records?

    But now that the terrorists know about this, they will find another way to communicate – great! What do we do now????

    #962272

    “Leave Mr. Snowden alone. I hope he alludes the American Government for ever.”

    Yes, I too hope that Snowden continues to make reference to the American government.

    haifagirl, where are you?

    #962273
    cholent guy
    Participant

    Hello? Nobody here knew that the government already spies on us? And no, I do not wear a tin foil hat on my head. Nobody has ever heard of ECHELON?

    #962274
    SL1
    Member

    hero

    #962275
    Matan1
    Participant

    adam3-Hes A HERO!!!

    Anyone that Obama doesnt like is a HERO in my books.”

    So Osama Bin Laden was a hero of your’s?

    How about Bashar al-Assad?

    #962276

    So Osama Bin Laden was a hero of your’s?

    How about Bashar al-Assad?

    He meant any “human” that Obama doesn’t like

    #962277
    JustHavingFun
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    Mr. Snowden is a Hero, whereas Obama is a Traitor.

    #962278
    nfgo3
    Member

    Never mind whether Mr. Snowden is a hero or a traitor. Now that we know that our government is collecting information on our every move, what do we want to do about it? That is the important question, and it is a hard one. It will take several years for all the issues that this data collection raises to be addressed.

    One interesting point to consider is this: An op-ed piece in the New York Times of June 30, 2013, by a German national, says that the experience of his country over the last 80 years – which starts with Hitler and includes 40+ years of the Stasi in eastern Germany – makes it clear that the massive data collection now being conducted in the US is a grave threat to personal liberty, and Germans think it is dangerously oppressive. If Germans think it’s dangerously oppressive, that’s probably a good indicator that this massive data collection is a threat to liberty in the US.

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