So he's ready to turn himself in?

For three days he was still hearing shots?!?!

The only shots in this sad story are the ones he drank!!!!

He will unlikely get a long prison term, Its not really a crime to kill someone by accident in a car crash (Running away from the scene is a crime, but not as bad)

Unless they can prove he was drunk or on Drugs, even if he was speeding, its does not go to the level of actual murder. The term is Vehicular Manslaughter

I don’t blame this bad person for seeking legal counsel before arrest. I do blame NYPD for this disgusting mockery, with this person able to talk to the media (and say blatant falsities such as that he was shot at – and, the public is very hungry for such blood libels in NYC and elsewhere), able to negotiate with police a deadline for arrest, and so on and so forth. Had the victims been a different ethnicity, this would not have even dreamed about.

Where is the female who allegedly ran away with him from the scene of the accident?

I’m not sure why, but this just popped into my head.

Last year a frum girl texting while driving hit a man and I think she killed him. The community put pressure on the DA and she only faced lesser charges and not manslaughter.

I fully realize motor vehicle accidents happen and I also fully realize that even gross negligence is not murder. I also fully realize criminals and even murderers are entitled to legal counsel, in fact I remarked I don’t blame him for seeking legal counsel before police arrest him: it can make a big difference and, as akuperma wrote, being experienced of how criminal law works, he is aware of that. However I wonder what happened to the girl you mention (I don’t remember the story) after the terrible accident (may none of us and our loved ones ever get involved), I would think she is now married with children and drives carefully, or perhaps was so shocked she gave up driving altogether. On the contrary that person has already been negligent with a gun and killed someone, was driving under the influence a few days ago, his own mother told reporters she does not want anything to do with. You can’t compare two completely different incidents, especially not in order to make a (questionable) statement of principle.

I am not an attorney but I am under the impression the US criminal law system allows a lot of discretionality (many say too much discretionality) which also includes considerations on whether the defendant is socially dangerous. I agree that the recent driving violation is likely to remain a separate trial, but won’t make the job of his attorney any easier. I have to say that US law rewards hits-and-run: had he waited for police, they would have very likely found him DUI (as the limits are very low), now it’s no longer possible to prove.

Zahav, judges will throw the book at a non-first-timer.

I’m not sure I had a point with my story. Like I wrote, it popped into my head. But thinking about it, why is this girl any different than this case? She killed someone due to her negligence. We don’t even know what exactly happened here.

I knew someone who killed someone while driving without insurance and a suspended licence. (In NY)

He Hired a lawyer and got a fine and probation

Truthsharer, of course you are trying to make a point, you are seeking to suggest the two cases are not different. Let me help you with the differences.

An accident may happen to anyone, and — may it never happen to us or our loved ones, neither as victims nor as drivers — in an accident it is unfortunately possible to hurt another human being. Sometimes severely (especially if we are driving a vehicle much heavier than the other vehicle, or if they are walking or biking). There is always negligence involved in every accident, we are supposed to be driving in such a way that even if someone else makes a mistake or is reckless, we still are able to stop and avoid the accident. Unfortunately, no one of us drives like that, especially not in NYC and any other city, also because if one did, everyone else honks. Thus, a terrible accident R”L may happen to any of us.

That a person recklessly plays with firearms and kills someone, goes to prison, after serving a few years he still drives recklessly and under the influence and gets a citation, a few days later he is again driving someone else’s car (could not he ask the lady to drive?), drives at twice the speed limit in a busy area, a terrible accident happens (and he fled the scene), is not something that might happen to a normal, decent person, whether jewish or not.

Except we don’t know what happened other than he ran away. I’m not comparing the two, the other case just popped into my head because it’s slightly similar and people had different reactions.

Not a minute too soon.

Unless you can prove he was DUI, either by a breathalizer test, or witnesses saw him in a bar or there is a bar tab or there is a receit from a store showing he purchased liquor , Hypotheyzing that he was drunk is heresay and not legal under US law

This tragedy begs a number of questions:

1. Were the victims wearing seat belts? Seat belts do make a difference, and I note that the driver of the livery vehicle in which they were killed walked away with minor injuries, possibly because he was wearing a seat belt and was not thrown around by the impact of the speeding vehicle.

2. What ever happened with the driver of the car that killed the child Gavin Cato. He was 7 or 8 years old and was killed in Crown Heights in 1991 when a frum driver in the Lubavitcher Rebbe’s vehicle escort ran a red light. The death of the child resulted in the pogrom against Lubavitchers in Crown Heights. Last I heard, the driver fled to Israel. Did he ever return? My vague recollection was that because he committed only one traffic violation (running a red light), he would not be charged with vehicular homicide. The reports so far in the Glauber-Acevedo case indicate only that the driver was going at an excessive speed. I personally think that we are too soft on traffic violations, and that a speeder who has an accident that results in a death should be guilty of manslaughter, in the absence of any driving violations of the other vehicle.

Let’s all remember that the facts we have are not complete, and we should not compound a tragedy with an injustice.

Hypotheyzing that he was drunk is heresay and not legal under US law

Of course it’s legal. I can hypothesize almost anything I want and the cops can’t do a thing to me. It’s not, however, admissible in court as evidence.

The Wolf

While you are correct that this person does NOT compare in ANY way to the girl who killed someone while texting, I disagree that she wasn’t highly negligent as it is a warning given over and over to teens. And how do you know how she drives today as a result?

saying Unfortunately, no one of us drives like that, especially not in NYC and any other city, also because if one did, everyone else honks. is ridiculous,

drives at twice the speed limit in a busy area, a terrible accident happens , is not something that might happen to a normal, decent person, whether jewish or not. is naive, except the fleeing part.

“Looked Drunk”? Snowbunny, that’s not proof. It ain’t that easy.