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    Imaofthree
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    I feel like it has been Tisha B’av and the Three weeks since this horrible thing happened. It is so hard to read the details that are coming out now…

    Every time I see a little boy I think of him. Let’s all do mitzvos and daven for him and his family.

    #787818

    Ctrl Alt Del
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    And amazingly enough, a few days ago as I drove through Boro Park I saw what must have been a 7/8 year old leading (I guess) a 4/5 year old up 18th ave BY THEMSELVES!!! meshugah!!

    #787819

    Imaofthree
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    Maybe their parents didn’t know about it, ctrl alt del.

    #787820

    mommamia22
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    I am so devastated to hear he was alive in the apartment till late Tuesday afternoon/early evening, and wasn’t helped or found. It pains me to think of the fear this poor child felt. I wish I would’ve been zoche to save him/ or that a video of him were found sooner. They might have been able to track him sooner to the apartment and help him. My heart is breaking.Somehow, I feel so responsible to have been so close and not helped him. It makes me so sad. I guess I have to work on my bitachon. I don’t know how anyone can ever get over this.

    #787821

    This was a tragedy among tragedies, the only response is to build bridges among Kal Yisroel…Unfortunately no easy task…We are so divided on so many issues….

    #787822

    bpt
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    “7/8 year old leading (I guess) a 4/5 year old up 18th ave BY THEMSELVES”

    You are making a valid observation, but one that is falling on deaf ears. Time and time again, we fail to learn from tragedies that can often be avoided with just a little foresight.

    Things like life insurance for a father (and mother) so the kids are protected, things like having a real, frank conversation with our kids about the dangers of abuse and how sneaky the stalkers can be.

    But instead, we as a community choose to turn a blind eye and say, it won’t happen to me.

    Sad indeed. Even sadder when Leiby’s mother will see kids hefker in the street

    #787823

    Droid
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    mommamia22

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    I am so devastated to hear he was alive in the apartment till late Tuesday afternoon/early evening, and wasn’t helped or found.

    mommamia22: Where did you hear that he was alive so long into the search and was only r’l smothered so close before the cops found Aron?

    #787824

    rc
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    i too have the same recurring feeling. if only i was there that day to help him or to direct him to safety. Hashem Yeracheim.

    #787825

    am yisrael chai
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    “I guess I have to work on my bitachon.”

    Perhaps the following will help:

    Leiby was named after his grandfather, also named Yehuda but known as Leiby. Reb Leiby survived the war along with 2 of his sisters; the rest of his immediate family perished.

    Reb Leiby would say that he was so SORRY that he wasn’t able to die AL KIDDUSH HASHEM…what a madrega.

    Little Leiby was named after him…

    #787826

    ha ha ha ha
    Member

    am yisroel- wow that’s powerful. thanks for the chizuk

    #787827

    mommamia22
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    I heard within the last half an hour on the news on the radio. Maybe 1010 Wins. They also said he was drugged. Hash-em yerachem. The only thing about that is hopefully it diminished the time he was alert and in fear. It angers me to hear the story about what his grandfather said. If a person questions whether they should have lived I think they are the only ones who’s lives should be questioned for that (“al tiftach peh lesatan”). I don’t want to judge anyone. I just am beginning to see that it’s time to work on my emu a’h and bitachon.

    #787829

    Ctrl Alt Del
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    Maybe their parents didn’t know about it, ctrl alt del.

    Are you serious?

    #787830

    am yisrael chai
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    ha ha ha ha

    It gave me tons of chizuk, too.

    Nothing in this world is arbitrary.

    m22

    “If a person questions whether they should have lived…”

    The grandfather did not question his surviving.

    He expressed a sincere desire to being able to make the ultimate sacrifice. R’ Akiva & others were noted to have felt the same.

    #787831

    jmj613
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    the only i can say is that i cant stop crying. everytime i hear or read something about leiby. i am filled with anger towards the murderer. how much did leiby suffer!!!! no words for this. only anger and tears

    #787832

    mommamia22
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    Yes I agree it’s commendable, but to say his 9 year old grandchild was taken in what sounds to be in lieu of that is very disturbing.

    #787833

    am yisrael chai
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    m22

    what would you say if perhaps the neshama is one and the same?

    #787834

    mommamia22
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    I understand the link, however, Leiby a’h didn’t die al kiddush Hash-em. He was murdered without anyone knowing at the time. The result of his untimely death is a tremendous amount of davening, learning, and chesed. His death brought about a kiddush Hash-em. That is his zchus. Maybe it’s just a technicality with the difference of time.

    In terms of it being a gilgul neshama, who knows. It’s speculation at best, but if a person in their lifetime wants to have the zchus of dying al kiddush Hashem, shouldn’t they have that zchus in their current lifetime when they mean it, versus another, when they wouldn’t? Again, an emunah and bitachon issue.

    #787835

    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    correction: Leiby in the above inspiring background story was named after his great-grandfather

    #787836

    jmj613
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    id recommend everyone should listen to rav eisenbergs hesped by the levaye…i know its in yiddish maybe still you can make some sense out of it

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