April 5, 2021 2:38 pm at 2:38 pm #1962464WithheldParticipant
How serious is it for girls to daven after Sof zman Tefillah?April 5, 2021 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #1962492n0mesorahParticipant
How ever serious her davening is😉April 5, 2021 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #1962495YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
Nice to see you! Hope all is well with you.April 5, 2021 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #1962555
What is sof zman teflah?April 5, 2021 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #1962550
She’s not mechuyiv.April 6, 2021 9:24 am at 9:24 am #1962652meirsParticipant
If you would be able to prepare better for davening and have kavana after zman teffillah, then you should daven afterApril 6, 2021 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1962753
meirs: How long after zman tefila is it still okay to daven?April 6, 2021 11:57 am at 11:57 am #1962767The FrumguyParticipant
Why not ask about Bochurim home for Bein Ha’Zemanim? I see them walking to Rav Landau’s shul well past 11:15 every morning. Some Talmidim don’t seem to pick up much from learning in Yeshiva…April 6, 2021 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #1962783CHOOSIDParticipant
How serious is it for boys to daven after zman tefillah?April 6, 2021 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #1962841
The gemora says that even though he does not get reward for zman tefilah but he still gets rewards for tefila until chatzos. The question is the half hour between cbatzos and the start of mincha if bedaved we can still daven tbat time.April 7, 2021 8:30 am at 8:30 am #1962977
Reb Eliezer, how have some tzadikim (in recent times) davened Shachris after Chatzos (or Mincha after tzeis), sometimes even with a minyan (Ribnitz Rebbe ZT”L, etc.)April 7, 2021 8:31 am at 8:31 am #1962978
Your blatant disregard for Halacha is shocking. The Gemara and the Halacha are both crystal clear that you ***must*** daven before סוף זמן תפלה. Davening after the זמן is בדיעבד. The fact that if a person did not do so, he may still be able to salvage some aspect of תפלה does not change this basic requirement (it should also be noted that according to שלחן ערוך, you may not be able to daven later if you missed the zman במזיד).
Additionally, you dismiss the difference as if it were negligible, and you have the temerity to ascribe your mistake to the Gemara. What concept do you have of the difference between שכר תפלה בזמנה and שכר תפלה?April 7, 2021 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm #1963157
catch yourself, what you sayng is incorrect according to the interpretation of the O’CH 89 MB s’k 6.April 7, 2021 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm #1963176Sam KleinParticipant
Woman as potur from all mitzvas asei shehazeman grama which applies to davening so woman are not chayiv to make the zeman tefilla when they daven but it’s definitely better to try to make it.
men and bochrim etc… Who are chayiv in zman tefilla need to make sure to make it a top priority to put Hashem first before anything else in life and daven before the zeman tefilla before running to do anything else in lifeApril 8, 2021 3:13 am at 3:13 am #1963236
Reb Eliezer, did you see my question to you?April 8, 2021 8:23 am at 8:23 am #1963336
ujm, I think they believe they daven for the tzibur who can enter the palace of the king any time.April 8, 2021 11:23 am at 11:23 am #1963348
ujm, another explanation might be, they daven for the King’s well being and not for themselves, so they can enter the palace of the king any time.April 8, 2021 11:26 am at 11:26 am #1963365
A family member, a close friend or an advisor to the King can enter the palace anytime.April 8, 2021 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #1963449
My statement was that “it should also be noted that according to שלחן ערוך, you may not be able to daven later if you missed the zman במזיד.” [I assume this is the part of my post you refer to.]
Your response: “catch yourself, what you sayng is incorrect according to the interpretation of the O’CH 89 MB s’k 6.”
I’ll readily acknowledge that I misattributed the reference. The correct reference should be to the very Mishna Berura that you notated.
The Mishna Berura there says that if a person missed zman Tefila במזיד, it’s best for him to Daven בתורת נדבה (with a תנאי to cover the possible חיוב), since it is possible that he is no longer able to Daven the required Tefila.
This discussion is specifically about a person who missed zman Tefila במזיד and now wants to Daven before חצות. Please note that if he did not Daven before חצות he will not be allowed to Daven Mincha twice.
Also noteworthy is the fact that the Mishna Berura does not agree that a person who missed the zman can still Daven Shacharis during the half hour after Chatzos. B’dieved, he says that if you did, you should not Daven Mincha twice.
In a published Teshuva about your question, Rav Moshe Feinstein writes that it is not our responsibility to understand the actions of Gedolim, but that we must follow Shulchan Aruch.April 8, 2021 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #1963551
And how do you explain the many contemporary minyanim, each with the Rov of the Beis Medrash’s approval, that start after sof zman tefila or even after Chatzos?April 8, 2021 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #1963561
I don’t have a good explanation for that.
Maybe מוטב שיהו שוגגין?April 9, 2021 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #1963804
Though we cannot discount that the rabbonim who organize very late minyanim in their Bais Medrash have a halachic source permitting so.
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