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How serious is it for girls to daven after Sof zman Tefillah?
How ever serious her davening is๐
Nice to see you! Hope all is well with you.
What is sof zman teflah?
She’s not mechuyiv.
If you would be able to prepare better for davening and have kavana after zman teffillah, then you should daven after
meirs: How long after zman tefila is it still okay to daven?
Why not ask about Bochurim home for Bein Ha’Zemanim? I see them walking to Rav Landau’s shul well past 11:15 every morning. Some Talmidim don’t seem to pick up much from learning in Yeshiva…
How serious is it for boys to daven after zman tefillah?
The gemora says that even though he does not get reward for zman tefilah but he still gets rewards for tefila until chatzos. The question is the half hour between cbatzos and the start of mincha if bedaved we can still daven tbat time.
Reb Eliezer, how have some tzadikim (in recent times) davened Shachris after Chatzos (or Mincha after tzeis), sometimes even with a minyan (Ribnitz Rebbe ZT”L, etc.)
“Reb” Eliezer
Your blatant disregard for Halacha is shocking. The Gemara and the Halacha are both crystal clear that you ***must*** daven before ืกืืฃ ืืื ืชืคืื. Davening after the ืืื is ืืืืขืื. The fact that if a person did not do so, he may still be able to salvage some aspect of ืชืคืื does not change this basic requirement (it should also be noted that according to ืฉืืื ืขืจืื, you may not be able to daven later if you missed the zman ืืืืื).
Additionally, you dismiss the difference as if it were negligible, and you have the temerity to ascribe your mistake to the Gemara. What concept do you have of the difference between ืฉืืจ ืชืคืื ืืืื ื and ืฉืืจ ืชืคืื?
catch yourself, what you sayng is incorrect according to the interpretation of the O’CH 89 MB s’k 6.
Woman as potur from all mitzvas asei shehazeman grama which applies to davening so woman are not chayiv to make the zeman tefilla when they daven but it’s definitely better to try to make it.
VERSUS
men and bochrim etc… Who are chayiv in zman tefilla need to make sure to make it a top priority to put Hashem first before anything else in life and daven before the zeman tefilla before running to do anything else in lifeReb Eliezer, did you see my question to you?
ujm, I think they believe they daven for the tzibur who can enter the palace of the king any time.
ujm, another explanation might be, they daven for the King’s well being and not for themselves, so they can enter the palace of the king any time.
A family member, a close friend or an advisor to the King can enter the palace anytime.
“Reb” Eliezer
My statement was that “it should also be noted that according to ืฉืืื ืขืจืื, you may not be able to daven later if you missed the zman ืืืืื.” [I assume this is the part of my post you refer to.]
Your response: “catch yourself, what you sayng is incorrect according to the interpretation of the OโCH 89 MB sโk 6.”
I’ll readily acknowledge that I misattributed the reference. The correct reference should be to the very Mishna Berura that you notated.
The Mishna Berura there says that if a person missed zman Tefila ืืืืื, it’s best for him to Daven ืืชืืจืช ื ืืื (with a ืชื ืื to cover the possible ืืืื), since it is possible that he is no longer able to Daven the required Tefila.
This discussion is specifically about a person who missed zman Tefila ืืืืื and now wants to Daven before ืืฆืืช. Please note that if he did not Daven before ืืฆืืช he will not be allowed to Daven Mincha twice.
Also noteworthy is the fact that the Mishna Berura does not agree that a person who missed the zman can still Daven Shacharis during the half hour after Chatzos. B’dieved, he says that if you did, you should not Daven Mincha twice.
In a published Teshuva about your question, Rav Moshe Feinstein writes that it is not our responsibility to understand the actions of Gedolim, but that we must follow Shulchan Aruch.
And how do you explain the many contemporary minyanim, each with the Rov of the Beis Medrash’s approval, that start after sof zman tefila or even after Chatzos?
I don’t have a good explanation for that.
Maybe ืืืื ืฉืืื ืฉืืืืื?
Though we cannot discount that the rabbonim who organize very late minyanim in their Bais Medrash have a halachic source permitting so.
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