November 30, 2021 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #2036416LostsparkParticipant
We have a shaliach hatzibur davening aleinu in five senconds flat. I’ve never seen davening so fast in my life.
It’s an MO shul, recently we had a belzer chasid davening with us morning shacharis l’chol. The poor guy barely got his Tallis on by the time it was Krias Shema.
Should I say something? I don’t see how davening shacahris in 25 minutes davka on a Thursday is acceptable. This is with the backing of the Rabbi of the shul to add….
What’s some of the ridiculously fast davening you guys have seen?December 1, 2021 12:18 am at 12:18 am #2036485Naftush-2Participant
A word in defense of speed davening on weekday mornings: every man in attendance could do otherwise. When he’s done with the speed davening, as often as not he gulps down a cup of coffee and races to the bus or the car. He could swap this for an extra half-hour of sleep and a leisurely cup of coffee but forgoes it for tefila be-tsibur. Respect.December 1, 2021 12:22 am at 12:22 am #2036488Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
>> Should I say something?
Not during tefilah, however short it is! From COVID perspective, if you do not bother opening windows, you should daven even faster.
A Rav who happened to be stuck in a shul like that for a year, said that his solution was to come 30 minutes earlier and daven his normal speed. If other people join you, the problem will be fully solved.
The problem of speed davening, I think, is solely of confusing the tzibur. Hashem obviously understands you at any speed. For a humble example, I can (was able to) play chess 2 minutes against 5 minutes for a random chess-player of same average skill. I never measured, but I presume I can out-daven him too. Would my tefilah (or game) benefit from full 5 minute v. 2? Of course, they would. But you can’t say the shorter one is missing. For the tzibur, I can learn while the slow minyan is still davening. But other way around does not work.December 1, 2021 9:44 am at 9:44 am #2036528AviraDeArahParticipant
There are only so many words that can be formed fully in one minute. Many people never learn how to pronounce and read words when they’re in elementary school, and while they might read English on a college level, their Hebrew skills are at the point where they have to sit and sound out every vowel and consonant.December 1, 2021 9:48 am at 9:48 am #2036536tunaisafishParticipant
There is a minyan that takes less then 14 minutes with tachnunDecember 1, 2021 9:54 am at 9:54 am #2036538Shimon NodelParticipant
Don’t go. It’s pigulDecember 1, 2021 9:56 am at 9:56 am #2036551lowerourtuition11210Participant
Heard many years ago.most minyanum are matza minyanim. 20 minutes and done.December 1, 2021 11:00 am at 11:00 am #2036642ujmParticipant
Natfush: The excuse that they could otherwise skip minyan altogether, if it isn’t a super high speed-minyan, is a very poor excuse indeed.December 1, 2021 11:02 am at 11:02 am #2036646commonsaychelParticipant
@lostpark, you seem to have a lot issues in finding your haskafa, such as should I convert, should I wear a black hat, should I shave etc. etc, why dont you find a LOR and ask him all your haskafa question.December 1, 2021 11:44 am at 11:44 am #20366541a2b3cParticipant
He doesn’t have lots of issues at all. He’s disturbed by how people abuse tefillah. Weird how that takes some people to black hats and shaving.December 1, 2021 11:44 am at 11:44 am #20366552scentsParticipant
“Heard many years ago.most minyanum are matza minyanim. 20 minutes and done.”
Those are 18-minute minyanim.December 1, 2021 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #2036722HaLeiViParticipant
Don’t say anything. Just post the following on the wall:December 1, 2021 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #2036725December 1, 2021 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #2036726GadolhadorahParticipant
If you daven vasikim, you will have the benefit of davening at a reasonable speed but with the assurance you will finish earlierDecember 1, 2021 4:50 pm at 4:50 pm #2036891mesivta bachurParticipant
It’s a peleh he managed to get to shul before shir shel yom or aleinu depending on the nusach.December 1, 2021 4:53 pm at 4:53 pm #2036925LostsparkParticipant
@1a2b3c: trolls usually leave for other threads if you don’t feed them comments!December 1, 2021 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #2036964nishtdayngesheftParticipant
I don’t think you know what time hanetz is now. The very fast minyan in my neighborhood davens much before hanetz, in fact there are times they wait at yishtabach for mishayakir.December 1, 2021 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #2037011GadolhadorahParticipant
Nisht: Putting aside the obvious attempt at humor in my post, davening in a Vaasikin/Neitz Minyan, at whatever speed of the shaliach tzibur, doesn’t change the earliest hanetz allowable time for davening shemoneh esrei.. Indeed some argue that it is a “mitzvah min hamuvchar” to begin saying the Shema slightly before hanetz, with the intention of completing the Shema and saying “Goal Yisrael” coincident with sunrise and proceeding immediately into the Shemoneh Esrei. One who has the discipline to follow this timeline (with the cooperation of his iPhone alarm, car starting up and a woke (literally) shaliach tzibur) is said to be guaranteed a chelek of olam haboh.
Bottom line: A true vasikim minyan, with a 33, 45 or 78 RPM shaliach tzibur will always get you to the office on time and depending on your location, maybe even allow you to drive on the HOV lanes before the 2/3 passenger rules cut in.
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