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    tro11
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    I know that the issue of starbucks has been discussed here many times. But can someone explain why according to the CRC, if they sell meat sandwiches you shouldn’t drink the coffee, but if they dont have meat you can drink there even though they have other non-kosher food?

    #1113766
    shlishi
    Member

    the problem is that starbucks washes the treif meat utensils with the coffee utensils.

    #1113767
    tro11
    Member

    I know – but why would they only wash their treif meat utensils with the coffee utensils. What about the utensils from the other meat things they make (danishes, etc.)?

    #1113768
    shlishi
    Member

    i dont think the other non-kosher items are prepared in the store. they are likely prepackaged and therefore do not need to be handled with any utensils.

    although, if they cut treif pastries with utensils they later wash with the coffee utensils, it may open a whole new can of worms.

    #1113769
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    And what if they have treif cheese sandwiches?

    Or trief yayin nesech?

    Or treif ?????

    Or ???? ?????

    What is the difference if they are meat?

    #1113770
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    popa: people talk about meat because they know about meat. Now I ask you, what about kosher food that was bought with kodshei bedek habayis b’zman hazeh?

    #1113771
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    itchesrulik:

    Maybe you mean with food that you declared would be assur???? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????? (nedarim 11b)

    I think the OP’s point was that the CRC specifically talked about meat sandwiches which implies that ??? ?????? would be ok.

    #1113772
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    No, I mean exactly what I said. It’s not exactly a complex shaila given that we pasken that hekdesh is chal today and we can’t touch it.

    How does talking about meat sandwiches imply chelev is ok?

    #1113773
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Because they should just say “treif food” or even “treif sandwiches”.

    #1113774
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Ah. I was thinking if it comes off an animal and it’s edible it’s meat but I see your point.

    #1113775
    tro11
    Member

    and indeed there are many Starbucks locations that do not serve hot meat sandwiches. These are generally the Starbucks kiosks

    that can be found in airports, department stores, highway rest-stops, supermarkets etc., and at these locations the cRc is able to

    recommend any drink made from kosher ingredients (even though some items in those stores are not kosher certified).

    This seems to imply that even though there are other items that are not kosher certified, it’s fine. As long as it’s not meat that’s not kosher certified.

    #1113776
    Joseph
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    A call to OU and Star-K resulted in both rabbis ruling that one cannot drink coffee from Starbucks that sell nonkosher/meat products.

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