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Acting decisively and showing strong resolve to honor the Christian deity Yushka Pundrik, the State of Israel today threw into jail two IDF soldiers into jail today for damaging a statue of Yushka. One Israeli soldier for causing the damage and the other soldier for taking a photograph of it. After today’s extraordinarily swift action, the IDF still plans to punish more soldiers who were in the vicinity of where this occured and failed in their duty to immediately defend the statue of the idol.
Furthermore, in a show of support for Christianity, the State of Israel today replaced the damaged statue with a gleaming new sculpture of the crucifixion and released a photo of it. It is now proudly posted on the @IDF X account. The post further states that “The IDF expresses deep regret over the incident, and is working to ensure that it does not happen again in the future.” Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, and its foreign minister, Gideon Saar, expressed immediate and profuse apologies.
The Israeli military purchased the new statue and had erected it by late Tuesday. What had previously been a fairly humble-looking object of worship now was, thanks to the IDF, a shiny rendering of Yushka in silver- and gold-toned metal on a reddish-brown cross, beneath the abbreviation “I.N.R.I.” — Latin for “Yushka of Nazareth, King of the Jews.”
I don’t blame them for doing this. What the soldier did was very stupid and was terrible PR for the state. They needed to fix it in some way. We need to realize that we are still in golus and until Moshiach comes, we do not have the freedom to do whatever we want and antagonize the gentiles. This is all the more so in our times, when one single picture can spread like wildfire across the entire world.
Joseph Goebbels,
You should be thrilled since you’re full of Nazi blood and not even Jewish!
After hearing a well-known Rabbi give a fiery
derashah against the secular Jews in Eretz Yisrael,
Reb Shraga Feivel [Mendlowitz] expressed
his displeasure with the tone of the speech.“True, is it hard for us to reach the ahavas Yisrael
of Reb Yitzchak Levi of Berditchev,” he said,
“but we are commanded to keep far away
from hatred of our fellow Jews.”SOURCE: Reb Shraga Feivel: the life and times of
Rabbi Shraga Feivel Mendlowitz, the architect of Torah in America
(chapter 16, page 229) by Yonoson Rosenblum for Artscroll / Mesorah,
year 2001 CE, based on Aharon Sorasky’s Shelucha DeRachmana,
ISBNs: 157819797X, 9781578197972, 1578197961, 9781578197965Ujm is right. The Iseaeli government is always groveling before the non-Jews, 90% of the hate the us regardless, and oftentimes because of, the Israelis’ actions based on their desperation for love and acceptance.
calling him king of the jews is arrogant and shows no knowledge of history.
This quote from RSFM is obviously motzi shem ra against RSFM because we are not “commanded to keep far away from hatred of our fellow Jews” if those Jews are not biChlal amisecha.
Regardless, Artscroll biographies are not a source of daas Torah, though they do have some nice material, B”H.
To Hakatan
Who would you exclude from Amisecha? Second question, how do you define Daas Torah and who has it?
@hakatan
> we are not “commanded to keep far away from hatred of our fellow Jews” if those Jews are not biChlal amisecha.we are, in fact, commanded to hate them more than we hate nazis.
sometimes posters outdo themselves – when a katan disagrees with a gadol, he considers quoting the gadol motzi shem ra. You know some people have hutzpa to disagree with a gadol, others more hutzpa to say that gadol might be wrong, others – more hutzpa to skip publishing the views they do not like, but this one beats everyone by accusing those who truthfully quote of an aveirah. Olam hafuch, I think this is called.
phil > always groveling before the non-Jews
You sound like a too-proud zionist, refusing to bow to the powerful goyim, like a cedar, not as an arovah (against Gemora’s advice!).
Jews always had shtadlanim who would deal with governments. In fact, I personally got a psak from a charedi rav when I had an optional opportunity to get some minor benefit from a fake rabbi, known for very bad associations… I did not want to meet him and shake his hand, but the rav said “just show respect to his position, not necessarily him personally”.
Israel is a “client” of the United States (as in “patron-client” was in Roman society). The client is nominally “free” but in reality, their continued survival depends on obeying their patron’s wishes. While the Zionists celebrated what they claim was their independence day, the Zionist state has never been truely “independent” since they have non-Jewish patrons who support them in return for obedience. And it happens, the chief patron is a worshipper of the Avodah Zarah that some Israeli soldiers destroyed – and you can’t expect to keep the favor of your patron if you knock down his idol. If the Jews in Eretz Yisrael want to be “independent”, their adoption of zionism with its goal of being a nation like all others, was a bad idea.
Philosopher, the Chazal knew everything about anti-Semitism, yet they strongly cautioned us not to engage in hisgarus be’Umos ha”Olam and told us to practice darkei sholom. (I am not saying that everything that was done by the IDF in this case was Halochically permissible.)
We don’y own Israel and neither Lebanon. It’s migarim lechol hadaous!
I dare you to go to a church in Brooklyn and smash a statue of yoshka. The agudah would condemn you if you did it.
I spent 20s doing my best to fight against Xtian missionaries
who target Jews for conversion to their religion.How many years did UJM or HaKatan do the same?
I spent 20 years doing my best to fight against Xtian missionaries
who target Jews for conversion to their religion.How many years did UJM or HaKatan do the same?
What about Chareidi Rabbis who endorse candidates
who support abortion-on-demand and “gay rights”,
because those candidates give money to Yeshivahs?The State of Israel is run by Secular Jews who are
TINOK SHENISHBA, and are not really responsible for their sins.We cannot make that same excuse for Chareidi Rabbis
who endorse politicians who support abortion and
“gay rights”, because those candidates give money to Yeshivahs.You asked;
> I spent 20 years doing my best to fight against Xtian missionaries
> who target Jews for conversion to their religion.
> How many years did UJM or HaKatan do the same?Well, it looks like @HaKatan has been here in CR fighting the Xtianity called “Religious Zionism” for 19 years:
see https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/users/hakatan
“Registered: 19 years ago”and @UJM has been fighting zionist Xitianity here on CR for 18 years:
see https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/users/ujm
“Registered: 18 years, 5 months ago”I don’t know if they have been fighting “these missionaries who target Jews” longer then this online record.
mdd1, I am not saying we should go around smashing idols. But jailing the two soldiers for destroying that statue and people in the government and the army issuing tons of apologies is ridiculous.
Mathematically if all the Torah Jews in Israel would vote, and all the Torah jews of the world come to Israel and vote, they would be hands down the largest and ruling party. Hence in this day and age no matter what the original founders of the state had in mind it is the Torah Jews in Israel who refuse to vote and the Torah Jews of the world who refuse to move to Israel and vote who are solely responsible for the continued secular rule in the state of Israel. In this day and age all the complaints of the anti state of Israel Torah Jews are 100% self inflicted.
We referred to him as Yoshkele Fundrek.
Should go to jail for a while. Contemplate misgarim…
phil> But jailing the two soldiers for destroying that statue
it is hard to make a judgment here when halakha meets politics, see example of Bar Kamtza, where “obvious halakha” of a mum on a korban was incorrectly applied. Here, if this action becomes “news” worldwide and endangers Jews from politicians and possible pogroms, then this is close to rodfim/informers than simply jailing. Again, I am not insisting on this view, just saying it is a possible view.
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