July 8, 2011 2:17 pm at 2:17 pm #597855
I know chinese auctions are a norm among us now in order to get tzedakah but this? (copied from flatbush scoop)
you have to have a steak dinner and liquor and luxury prize giveaways to get tzedakah?July 8, 2011 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #784274
Sadly yes. It breaks my heart that an organization thats saving the lives of OUR CHILDREN is struggling to stay open and is on the verge of closing. People donate tons of money to Yeshivos so they can build fancy buildings yet an organization which is so vital in saving Jewish kids neshamos cant get a $10 donation out of people!July 8, 2011 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #784275
If the costs of the event was donated, then why not? But if our place sponsored the event in order to make more $$, then it’s not very right.July 8, 2011 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #784276
Hi coffee addict. I too am a coffee addict:)
It all depends on the crowd they are trying to raise money from. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think ” our place” is an organization that deals with kids who are going through hard times.
What ever it takes, I wish them much hatzlacha. I hear they are doing amazing things.July 8, 2011 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #784277
If C”V the xtains get their place on coney island, this organization will be one of the few if only that keeps kids off the street and out of their line of sight.July 8, 2011 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #784278
They are not doing it for the $10 admission, they are doing it to get the $500-$1000 or more purchase of tickets.
It is very hard to get people to donate larger amounts of money to a charity especially one they are not involved with. A Chinese auctions tends to attract people not normally involved with that charity.
Also it draws attention to your charity and maybe get other donors to come.
I went to a chinese auction for TAG, I have nothing to do with them, but the auction was held at the inwood country club with the best Sushi ever!!!!
I can attend such an auctionJuly 8, 2011 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #784279
I saw that ad, too & saw the very large admission donation; I hope it had good attendance & that they were matzliach! they do great work.. I know: my 2 sons used to hang out there & one of my sons went on a trip to Israel with them. not to mention Shabbatons, etc.July 10, 2011 2:58 am at 2:58 am #784280
If the costs of the event was donated, then why not?
because the part I’m hawking about is that people have to get drawn to give tzedakah with a steak dinner and wine tasting
and I bet you if the costs were donated to get R Shtierman to come to America they still wouldn’t get the same amount of money as this “steak dinner”July 10, 2011 3:00 am at 3:00 am #784281
For the record I’m not knocking the organization I’m knocking the state that “Frum” Yidden are in that we have to be drawn to an organization’s tzedakah with streakJuly 10, 2011 3:33 am at 3:33 am #784282
Well I don’t know if you noticed, but lately every organization has resorted to raffles and chinese auctions to get people to give, or to ridiculous segulos… Old fashioned Tzedakah is just too boring and blah for people these days.
Face reality, we live in very dark times in the Ikvesa Demishicha. Its hard to find true Ehrlich Yidden that feel proud to be Jews and are self motivated to do Mitzvos the way they are meant to be done because its what Hashem wants. People need gimmicks today to do anything these days…
Im not bashing, I agree its sad and there’s a lot that goes on these days that bothers me. Im not happy when I Daven in a Shul and a significant amount of people talk throughout chazaras hashatz and kaddish as if there’s no issue with it. There’s a whole laundry list of things that bother me, but you know what, its not my job to judge them and i cant change them I can change ME. All I can do is try my best to do what Hashem expects of me.
Something I noticed is that many people learn by example to do good just as they do to do wrong. If they see that those around them act in a certain positive way like Daven with Kavana, do chasadim…it rubs off on them and influences them, sometimes it makes them feel guilty and they end up doing the right thing because “if he can do it so can I.”
So dont focus on the negative. If we put all of our energies into spreading light in the world and trying to be a kiddush Hashem wherever we are, there would be a lot less things that will bother us out there…July 10, 2011 3:44 am at 3:44 am #784283
If that’s what your donor base is interested in then you have to cater to that (pun intended. 😉 ) It happens that the wine was donated by an Our Place alum who owns a liquor store.
smartcookie: Why not?July 10, 2011 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm #784284
It seems that people get bored with the same type of fundraiser year after year. Fund raising committees really have to put on their thinking caps to come up with something different. I know that at my shul, for the past 2 years, they have held a “lottery”. Tickets are 100.00 and you get 2 tickets to a “gourmet” brunch and entry into the lottery. All the tickets are drawn and numbers 1, 18, 36, 54, etc. get a cash prize of various denominations – none less than 100.00. Only 300 tickets are sold. They have done quite well with this function and I do believe that if you just asked 300 members to donate 100.00, the response would be a lot different. I think people are looking for “something” in return for their donation or they are just jaded at the usual ways of raising money. These more exotic ways of raising money are definitely a lot more work for the same return, but I don’t see anything wrong with it.July 10, 2011 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #784285
I beleive that people in our generation give more tzedakah then in the past, but there is a globel competion between so many orgenesations to get what you will give, so the steak is not a motive for ppeople to give tzedakah, its a motive to give to that perticuler org. that you have no affiliation instead of giving to your local school or cerrity.July 10, 2011 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #784286
why does an organization have to get you to give to them with steak instead of showing that it’s a worthy organization
Take Oorah for example, they should show how many yidden they have made frum instead of getting dueling rabbis for a 5 dollar a prize auctionJuly 10, 2011 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #784287
get a lifeMember
Could be you are right but you cant change the oylem!
Ever heard of the person who wanted to change the world? he came to the conclussion he could only change himself.July 10, 2011 6:23 pm at 6:23 pm #784288
Coffee addict, you are demanding a higher standard than the Torah which gives the Kohanim (priests descending from Aaron) steaks for bringing the Korbanos (animal offerings in the Temple).July 10, 2011 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #784289
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Good one Josh!July 10, 2011 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #784290
“why does an organization have to get you to give to them with steak instead of showing that it’s a worthy organization”
They cant show you if you are not there, they steak is to get you there, once you are there listening you will give.July 10, 2011 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #784291
coffee addict, there are so many charity organizations, that it is so difficult to decide which one to give to. Instead of all the funds going purely to tzedakah, there are too many that go straight into the pockets of the leaders of the organization. Now, that makes me sick!
I hear ‘Our Place’ is a more reliable charity. Although it pains me that this is the means that they use to attract donaters, if they manage to bring in more tzedakah at the end of the day, then at least we can have the peace of mind that our money is going to help people- not pay for steak dinners!July 11, 2011 3:02 am at 3:02 am #784292
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you are demanding a higher standard than the Torah which gives the Kohanim (priests descending from Aaron) steaks for bringing the Korbanos (animal offerings in the Temple).
The Torah already promised “steaks” for tzeddakah – Aser k’dai shetisaher.
What’s also sad is that there are priorities in halacha as to which mosdos or even yechidim one should give, and these are all being disregarded, and instead, people who give are giving based on whose steak is more well done. Unfortunately, it is all too rare to find someone giving l’sheim shamayim (that $5 Oorah entry notwithstanding).July 11, 2011 4:18 am at 4:18 am #784293
The distortion of priorities come from certain organizations claiming unique “segulah” type powers, not from steaks.
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