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Hello. I am a boy who is looking for a boys high school. I am right now 17 years old. I have some learning disabilities. This year, i am learning with the younger grade for Hebrew. I am a little behind on my hebrew studies. I am looking for a non-lubavitch school because lubavitch schools are often too advanced. I want a small school, that has a dorm for out of town people. The school should have chidren who have some trouble learning. The school should have half day hebrew and half day english. More details soon.
just look for yeshivos that have regents, that means you will get a normal diploma, but also have resouce rooms. I would say Meor Hatorah, Skokie Yeshiva, WITS.
Maybe look into the Denver Yeshiva. I don’t really know much about it, but I just know that its a smaller out of town yeshiva, I think that most of the boys dorm there, and the Rebbes have a reputation for being very warm.
just letting you know that brooklyn schools do have regents cuz theyre in ny…
chicago has great schools for boys, no regents, skokie yeshiva is in skokie so they have more funding for a resource room, and chicago has a huge lubavitch community all over the joint.
Meor HaTorah might not be bad either, much smaller classes, and since they are just state accredited, they aren’t as advanced as other schools. The diploma is still respected though.
Both schools have experience with students who transferred from public schools and are also, behind in Limudei Kodesh.
Vogue – I wish you were right about even one of the schools you mentioned but unfortunately you have been misinformed. Skokie does have kids from weaker backgrounds but not weaker kids (not sure where you got that money/resource connection). Meor has no public or weak kids and would probably not even send him an application.
You probably need to go to a school like Sinai in Teaneck, NJ. It doesnt have a dorm.
Be aware the school costs about $50,000
jewish Schools for learning disabled People are very expensive. Many such kids wind up going to public school because of the cost
zdad: Not every learning disabled kid needs a school specifically for learning disabled kids. Some do, but many kids with learning disabilities do very well with resource room assistance.
moishy, I don’t know squat about Brooklyn schools so I can’t really help you, but I hope you’re matzliach in finding someplace!
Actually, just a thought, what about Shaarei Arazim in Monsey? I have some neighbors there who seem to be very happy. (I don’t know if they have a dorm, though.)
There is also Kulanu in the 5 towns, It is also about $50,000
I know its true about both yeshivas accepting public school kids because chicago has a fund that allows public school kids who are shomer shabbos to transfer to jewish day schools without paying tuition. The only reason I was hesitant to go to a Jewish high school initially was the resource program. So, I spent a while looking into all the girls schools I knew of until I found one later on that worked. Since chicago has this wonderful tuition program, that means that there are people who have done it in yeshivas, and get all the assistance they need. It might be harder academically, but the religious schools, from my experience are more understanding than, say solomon schechter or CJHS (in fact many of those families are now sending to hillel torah or arie crown). No child should have to go to public school simply because they are learning disabled, the public schools might offer secular academic support, but the social scene is awful and I know people who were stuck in social skill groups in public school because the schools did not understand that the person was religious and was being teased because they were frum. Yet, these people outside of school were the life of the party among their frum friends. A Jewish child should never have to go through that.
Look into Darchei Torah in Far Rockaway. Rabbi Bender is second to none!
Vogue – that program is for the elementary schools (some?) and maybe for the girl’s high school but not for the yeshivas. If there has been an exception, it wasn’t recently and it was VERY much an exception.
writersoul – once again exactly what I was going to say. And Shaarei Arazim is awesome but very expensive (but you do get what you pay for)
Darchei Torah is more than awesome. And I think they have a waiting list of a hundred to prove it. Wish they could expand 🙁
Most Yeshivas do not have resource rooms. Special Ed teachers cost money and have to be specially trained. They barely pay their own regular teachers. They are not going to pay for a Special Ed teacher.
Those classes need to be smaller which also costs money.
And its not a matter of you get what you pay for, very few people can afford $50,000 tutions even if you have a really good job.
I dont think Darechi takes special ed Students, however there is a program in the 5 towns Far Rockaway called Cahal that does and they place students in various schools in the area. They might have a class at Darchei
In general its hard to comment on the OP’s specific case unless you read his IEP (Some School report on his disabilities)
So its hard to know if he needs just a resource room or needs a special school. Its hard to know even how much he can be pushed.
maybe a kiruv school would be a good idea because they are usually known for better secular education and get a disproportionate amount of donor dollars for resources so they probably get more money for these things (otherwise not supportive parents would want their kids to stay in public school), also have lower tuition rates…
Many More Modern orthodox schools are more equipped to handle special education and many do have resource rooms, but it still doesnt mean he belongs there. However every Special education child is different and there are a broad range where they are and without reading the IEP its impossible to know where he is on the scale.
A Yeshiva like Darchei might actually be a terrible place for him, if he has seriosus issues and cannot really learn properly he will get frustrated and may even act out and a Rebbe who is not qualified to teach a special needs child will unduly punish him and make it worse.
ZD,
Stop spouting off the top of your head. Your comments are totally incorrect.
So Nisht
How does being a Box Schleeper boss make you an expert on IEP’s and Special Education.
And my comments arent off the top of my head, Anyone who knows anything about special ed would take my comments seriosuly
OP
You need to speak to your parents about the IEP, I dont think you can get it yourself, but they can. They probably went to a meeting at the board of Ed to get one and if they didnt they are leagally entitled to get it done (I am assuming you live in NYC) but I think IEP’s are done throught New York State, Its a State mandate not a city mandate.
The IEP’s give your exact disablities and full detail and then you can discuss with various yeshivas if they are able to deal with them
maybe a kiruv school would be a good idea because they are usually known for better secular education and get a disproportionate amount of donor dollars for resources so they probably get more money for these things (otherwise not supportive parents would want their kids to stay in public school), also have lower tuition rates…
This. Otherwise I would suggest Rochester. In no way would I suggest Darchei, and I doubt (just an opinion) that the school would accept such a child from outside the community who wouldn’t pay in full.
I should have defined what an IEP is
An IEP is a detailed report by education experts on your exact abiliites, where they are weak, what level you are on. How grade level your math, english social skills etc.
They can offer you extra help where you need it provide tutors (even in Yeshivas) They send the help to the Yeshivas FOR FREE
It provides solutions to help those weaknesses FOR FREE at taxpayer expense.
Sounds like P’TACH would be the program that would fit you best.
1689 East. 5th St
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There are scholarships available.
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Doesn’t Chaim Berlin have a P’Tach program in the yeshiva itself?
Ptach I think is like Cahal where they dont have a School but rather have classes in various schools in the community depending on the grade.
You dont apply to Chaim Berlin you apply to Ptach and they will place you in your appropriate grade level. If your grade is in Chaim Berlin they will put you there, If it is elsewhere they will put you elsewhere
ZD,
I would not be insulted being a box shleeper (sic) boss or being called a box shleeper (sic) boss, however my co-workers and employees might be insulted being called box shleepers (sic). Considering the time they have put in to getting their education and obtaining their professional certification and licensure. Certainly when they are working for an organization that is widely acknowledged as the top experts in the field.
As for what I would know about IEPs, part of the professional services we provide are consulting services, including financial and compliance consulting, to special needs providers and particulary to SED providers.
Regardless of whether I know what an IEP is, you have not done an evaluation of moishyk, nor are you qualified to do so, so how can you determine which programs are or not good for moishyk and it is haughty for you do so, certainly when you are clearly out of touch with each of these entities.
I certainly do know about the places you mention and your assumptions are completely wrong.
Just getting an IEP does not mean that his parents will be reimbursed for special education sevices in a Yeshiva setting.
Most of the services provided to children who are in school are through the SEIT program which is for 3-5 year olds. Whom I would doubt are looking for a high school.
They do provide services to high school students. You are thinking of a different program that does 3-5 year olds
After age 5 its done by the school district rather than private providers. It is not called SEEIT, It has various names depending on grade level.
I never said tution reimbursement is guranteed if you have the IEP, I never even spoke about the issue, but since you brought it up, Its possible if you hire a lawyer to get YESHIVA tuition reimbuirsement, but you need the IEP to even attempt it.
Of course I havent done a evaluation of the OP. You cant do one over the internet, you need to monitor the student in the classroom to do it and they have several experts doing it.
The IEP Can get you related services paid for by the state, that isnt as hard to get as tutition re-imbursement. However you cant pick the people who do it (Although its usually pretty easy to get a frum person who does it)
I mentioned Shaarei Arazim above, actually…
I don’t know much about it except that it’s very individualized and seems to cater to the boys’ strengths. I think it’s definitely on the more yeshivish side.
It’s VERY expensive, though… And I have no idea what the education is like.
If you come to NYC, and qualify for paraprofessional services, you sound like a really sweet guy to work with!
P’Tach does not have a dorm that I know of
They also require an IEP (That I keep talking about) and a psychological report. Unfortunatly I dont think you can get these things by Septemeber. An IEP requires classroom observation as part of the report.
Unfortunatly this kind of research for a special school really requires research really done in January (or even before) rather than June.
I dont know much about dorm yeshivas, but I suspect they arent that cheap either. Dont forget they have to house and feed the students which isnt cheap and they also have to hire extra help to watch the boys at night from safety issues (Like keeping out intruders) to making sure the boys dont cause any trouble by hanging out at the movies or with girls.
IMO your best bet for the fall is probably a private tutor
You are not allowed to contact each other on this blog
My best advice to you is contact Ptach in Brooklyn or Cahal in the 5 towns/Far Rockaway and they can give you advice on how to proceed. What you need to get and how to get it.
You will need to go to your local City Board of Ed district to get that IEP (They go into yeshivas all the time)
Ptach can also probably give you suggestions on tutiton help, it is available
I did not write no, the Mods did, but I cant help you any further
You have to contact Ptach yourself (Or your parents)
If they dont have a place for you, they will direct you to a place that can help you
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1689 East. 5th St
(Cor Ave P)
Brooklyn, N.Y. 11230
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