Stop doing your banking in the middle of davening!

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  • #617558

    takahmamash
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    [begin rant]

    It drives me crazy that you decide to make change from the pushke at the oddest times. I understand that you want to drop your coins/bills at ????? ???????, but really, you absolutely need to dump the entire pushke out in the middle of davening to get change? Are you in shule to daven, or are you in shule to play with the money?

    Doing this during ???? ??”? isn’t any better. When I used to daven for the amud almost every day, I moved the pushke away from the amud, as you would dump it out, causing me to lose my concentration.

    I mean, really – if you need change, why can’t you come before davening starts, and play with the money then? Why can’t you do it after davening is finished? Why, why, WHY must it be during davening?

    [/end rant]

    #1147146

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    You make the case for a fixed pushke on the wall that is locked.

    I must attend a different class of minyan. Paper money isn’t noisy.

    #1147147

    Joseph
    Participant

    I must attend a different class of minyan. Paper money isn’t noisy.

    #1147148

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Joseph……..

    The dollar coin in the USA was a flop, be it The Eisenhower or Sacajawea.

    It has been years since I’ve seen any adult in our minyan place coins in the pushke on the wall. Occasionally a child will do so. When a cup of coffee or a soda is typically $2 it would be an insult to put a quarter in the pushke, then drive off in your multi-thousand dollar car.

    I live in Fairfield County, CT. This is a land of single family homes. There are no working class people in our town or attending our minyan who use public transit as in the city. In fact there is no public transit.

    It’s just facts of life that life here is different than in the city or Monsey, Lakewood, etc. Not about superiority.

    #1147149

    yehudayona
    Participant

    I used to daven at a minyan where I would often see $50 bills or $100 bills in the pushka. Where I am now, the big spenders put in a dollar. CTL, I take it you don’t get hordes of collectors in your shul. If I gave each of them a dollar, I’d reach maaser level without ever giving anything to a tzedaka that I know for sure is legitimate.

    #1147150

    NeutiquamErro
    Participant

    Was confused at the tone of the discussion, until I realised that in the States, paper money starts at the equivalent of 50 pence. In the UK, paper money starts at around 9 dollars. So I suppose our shul’s are a lot more jangly. So I suppose the level of annoyance at in-prayer banking is reduced over there. So that’s one thing I’ll concede our colonial cousins have over us, although we are still ahead in our political system, politicians, choice of national sport, choice of secondary sports, choice of head of state, health system, driving side, grammar and general command of the English language, and, I’m sure, numerous further details that will doubtless occur to me at a later date.

    #1147151

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    @yehudayona

    I don’t think I’ve seen a collector at our shul minyan in at least 3 years.

    Collectors seem to prefer cities where they can hit multiple places in a day.

    Takes too long to reach the hinterlands to collect from a small minyan.

    Once a quarter, our pushke committee takes the funds and distributes them to reply to the assorted request letters received as well as the regulars.

    Twenty years ago when I was still living in a Connecticut city with about 6 orthodox morning Minyanim visiting collectors were on the wane, maybe one every 8-10 weeks.

    Stayed overnight in Brooklyn this week (Shevah Brochos for my daughter) and was besieged by collectors at both minyan and trying to ‘crash’ the Shevah Brochos at a hall. I had prepared for minyan and had 25 singles in my pants pocket (after what the chasunah cost me, big deal). The hosts of the Shevah Brochos arranged to have personnel at the entry to the hall who admitted only those on the invitations list. No ‘crashers’ of any type entered. The collectors were each sent away with a $5 bill.

    #1147152

    takahmamash
    Participant

    Much of the money in the pushke in the shules where I daven are 10 agorot coins. The guy this morning was counting out the coins, from the middle of P’sukei D’zimra until after Barchu.

    #1147153

    Chortkov
    Participant

    although we are still ahead in our political system, politicians…

    You clearly weren’t listening to the House of Commons this week.

    #1147154

    golfer
    Participant

    Sent away with a $5 bill?

    From a party people drove to in their multi-thousand dollar cars?

    Or were driven to in limos?

    Wearing multi-thousand dollars worth of finery?

    And dining on the finest NYC has to offer the upper crust of kosher eaters?

    While imbibing the sweet fragrance of exotic blooms and the effervescently bursting bubbles of bottles of bubbly?

    Sniff …

    Oh how fun it is to be judgmental!

    Oh how fun it is to join the CR!

    Wishing all a beautiful Chag celebrated in true cheirus!

    #1147155

    catch yourself
    Participant

    Funny, when I saw the title of the thread, I automatically assumed that it was about people playing with their phones during Davening.

    I have never had an experience similar to yours, TM, but I certainly can agree with your point. It’s one thing if a person is simply trying to get change; it’s quite another when they are keeping busy. (For the record, it is very easy to tell the difference, so anyone pretending to get change every day can just stop – you are not fooling anyone except yourself).

    CTL, I think the word “class” in your first post is what came across as a bit arrogant (although I don’t think that was your intention).

    NeutEu, only those who suffer an inferiority complex are consumed with comparison.

    #1147156

    feivel
    Participant

    CTL

    I know more about your personal life

    Income

    Friends

    Shul

    Home

    Family

    Politics

    Religious Beliefs

    Values

    Lifestyle

    than I know about my extended family members.

    And I don’t even read many CR posts nowadays.

    I find that interesting.

    #1147157

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Golfer………

    My post was about a Shevah Brochos, not a Chasunah. It was in a small hall, not a wedding palace. People mostly came straight from work in business clothing. I didn’t see a limo anywhere.

    The hosts (not me) did not want crashers of any type. They planned food and drink for those invitees who responded they would attend. It was a private, invitation only event. Certainly a host is entitled to restrict entrance to invitees.

    The host could have sent all potential crashers away empty handed, the fact that he gave the employees working the door a stack of $5 bills to distrubute was nice.

    #1147158

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Catch yourself………….

    My use of the word class has nothing to do with social status. It was short for classification.

    There is a big difference from a minyan held in a shtiebel or beis medrash with tables than one held in a formal suburban synagogue with fixed pews, etc. It is not as free wheeling, everyone is expected to arrive on time. You won’t find latecomers giving a klop at the end of the service trying to get an extra Kaddish in.

    It’s certainly different from a Yeshiva minyan with no women in the room.

    I’ve attend all of these over the years and the expected behaviors and occurrences are different>no right or wrong, just different.

    #1147159

    feivel
    Participant

    ” the fact that he gave the employees working the door a stack of $5 bills to distrubute was nice.”

    I bet the employees appreciated the gesture more than anyone else.

    #1147160

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Good thing they weren’t given a stack of feivels.

    #1147161

    feivel
    Participant

    But giving them a stack of feivels bills would have been okay.

    #1147162

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I’m sure you give many feivel bills to tzedakah.

    #1147163

    catch yourself
    Participant

    That is what I had assumed your intended meaning to be, and thanks for clarifying. My point was merely that the word class can be taken to connote more than simple classification in that context.

    For the record, in the suburban synagogue where I often daven (which does have fixed pews, and where women often attend minyan during the week) the percentage of latecomers seems more or less the same as at the various other types of shuls, yeshivos, etc where I have davened over the years. It is true that in the suburban synagogue these latecomers are less likely to try to get an extra kaddish.

    #1147164

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Catch………..

    we generally don’t have latecomers to the daily minyan as 3 of us usually are the drivers who pick up the others making a 6:15 AM minyan and then many rush for the train to Manhattan.

    I don’t know if the 7:30 minyan (which the shul rabbi attends) is composed of on time attendees.

    #1147165

    Mammele
    Participant

    CTL: I truly hope your wife is doing well. (Disclaimer: I’ve been reluctant to put this out there for a while and it’s probably a bit invasive, but seeing how this conversation has turned, I somehow feel the need to now more than previously.) The first thing that cropped up in my mind when you mentioned that your wife may need surgery was “Ayin hora”. Although it’s none of my business to say this, I think you should tone it down a bit. Nobody (so far) truly knows who you are here, so I don’t even know if Ayin Hora is even plausible (technically, your posts can all be made up fantasies) and yet I can’t keep from thinking along these lines. I don’t know your real life guests either, but there are usually those that are jealous as well.

    And please, if you believe in this concept and have someone to turn to “lesh koilen” or something similar, seriously consider doing so. And no, I’m not a very superstitious person, but some things are hard to deny.

    Besuros Tovos, and may everybody be happy and have what they need beruchnios and beGashmios.

    A kosher and freilichen Peasach!

    #1147166

    NeutiquamErro
    Participant

    Catch Yourself:

    Don’t worry, I’m not suffering from some trans-Atlantic inferiority complex, I simply seek to provoke, and perhaps entertain. Although I may concede that, with regard to our respective countries, I may have a slight superiority complex, borne of years of frustration with American influence on Britain’s once proud culture, and a generally unfavourable, if affectionate, view of many aspects of our colonial compadres.

    #1147167

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Mammele………

    Thanks for your concern.

    Neither my wife or I are superstitious.

    B”H her surgery was successful. She attended our daughter’s chasunah and all the accompanying festivities and participated fully.

    #1147168

    cherrybim
    Participant

    I guess everyone has different tolerance levels but coin noise in shul does not bother me that much.

    But I do have other pet peeves concerning rudeness and insensitivity to a shul holiness.

    I’ll mention three: Not returning s’farim to the shelves; leaving your nasty dirty tissues on the table (even for a moment); bringing or wearing your coat in shul. You would hopefully not do any of these things in your own home; let alone in G-d’s home.

    #1147169

    Little Froggie
    Participant

    If it’s cold outside, how’d you come in without a coat? Should I take it off outside???

    #1147170

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Little Froggie

    Many shuls have coat rooms or coat racks to hang outer garments before entering the davening room.

    #1147171

    yehudayona
    Participant

    cherrybim, what about talking in shul? Or the gabbai who feels compelled to shake the pushke vigorously every 10 seconds as he walks around during chazaras hashatz?

    #1147172

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    yehudayona….

    see, a wall mounted pushke by the entry solves the gabbai shake and shuffle problem

    #1147173

    takahmamash
    Participant

    Or, just leave it on the shulchan and let people walk up themselves. Why does the gabbi need to bring it around?

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