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This is a thread where we will rant about our educators who really should have been shochtim instead.
(Because all they did is shecht kids. We will also discuss if we want why we think they chose education.)
So in my school, they gave out a state standardized test in some grades, which did not count for the students. Well, when I was in 4th grade, we were taking them and my older brother in 7th grade was also taking them.
One night at home, we were discussing it and my older brother boasted how in his class, they didn’t fill in the correct answers but just did A-B-C-D-A-B-C-D… My mother then told a story about how her brother had done that in school when he didn’t know anything and actually passed.
So, the next day in school, I proceeded to fill in my book with A-B-C-D… The teacher noticed after a few minutes, and ran to the Secular studies principal to tell her (instead of just telling me to stop?). The secular studies principal called me to her office, and explained that the test was important for the school reputation. So I went back to class and fixed it all. (I should mention here that I usually scored really high.)
Story over? No.
I’m waiting for my carpool, when an 8th grader tells me that Rabbi Rasha, the principal, is pacing and muttering “where is that Popa_bar_abba”? So I went to the office, because I was scared of him.
He proceeded to yell at me at the top of his lungs for several minutes. I was a little 9 year old kid, crying, and he is shouting at me. And for what? The english principal had already chewed me out, and I had already fixed it. Why? I’ll never know.
I’ve got more.
Popa
BOO HOO you got screamed at. Try getting beaten in 2nd grade in front of the whole class and a few Rabbeim with a wooden stick by your principal!! I have other stories that I would rather not recall or recount. It is no secret that many of the people that went into chinuch had no training and had no business going into chinuch. I just don’t see the point of a thread bashing Rabbeim and educators.
PBA, you totally made this up
I teach. Today we had meetings and the dean spoke to us as an introduction. One of the things he said was you need to be very careful with how you speak to the children now (well always but especially now) cuz you really have no idea what is happening outside of school. It really made a very huge impression on me. Freaked me out a lil bit too.
WIY: some of the talmidim suffer the effects throughout adulthood, and sometimes severely, through psychological damage and leaving yiddishkeit, so it is not just for ranting; the issue of incompetent mechanchim should have a place in these discussions, but to be fair, so too should mechanchim and administrators be able to vent if they choose.
Now whats the point of this thread?
Popa
Maybe you are right. But I have been hit and screamed at plenty growing up and I don’t bear a grudge. I know that the ones who hit and screamed are misguided and I feel that they had no business being in Chinuch. Additionally I feel like health said that kids need to be handled with care by mechanchim and their parents. I just don’t see the point in bashing our Rabbeim principals Yeshivos…Baruch Hashem Jewish education has come a long way and to my knowledge it is unheard of even in a chassidish school that a kid will be hit even though 5 years ago that was still going on.
I can’t change the past and I may have turned out differently had I been treated differently by my Rabbeim. However I am who I am and Hashem wanted me to experience what I experienced so I learn from it and be a better person because of or in spite of it.
good.jew, the only thing you can say he made up, is the names. I like them.
Ooh, this looks like fun!
One teacher of mine was told from the higher ups that she couldn’t “mechaneches” me because she was being too harsh. (She probably was. Only time in my life I was kicked out. I wasn’t paying attention.) She was one of those teachers who taught because it was a nice thing to do not because she was a “born teacher” type. (I think in recent years she has lightened up.)
A different teacher decided to make me her Chessed case for the year (not needed, not wanted). At least it makes a good story today.
(blabla, to show you the other side of the coin, she was one of the teachers who went way too far with the “story at home” thing.)
I really do appreciate having had some of these people though, they’re perfect examples of what a teacher should not do.
Just to balance things out, I have had my share of amazing teachers, some who I still keep in loose contact with. I think it comes down to the fact that they are not just good teachers but good people.
I’m trying to picture a 9 year old pba.
Physical hitting is only the beginning; huge damage is done by words. A true story, years ago, in a large MO yeshiva, a tenured Rabbi who made a practice of announcing in front of the class regularly that “(name of boy) you’re a failure”. In those words. He would target different boys during the year. I know one sensitive kid who was already hanging on by a thread and could have used some chizuk……too late now.
kapusta: only fun if you’re not the one suffering, I guess.
ugh…i had some awful school experiences…but im past them so why bother
kapusta: only fun if you’re not the one suffering, I guess.
You’re right. That part shouldn’t have gone in. I apologize.
I was a student in my fathers class and it was a horrifying year most of it i have blocked out but one moment i remember like it just happened i was reading a pasuk and i stumbled over a letter and he said look he doesnt even know the aleph bais to say i was mortified is an understatement i was used to hearing my father denigrating me at home but to do so in front of my peers left an indelible mark on me.
GOQ- im cringing just reading that story. I can relate being that I never used to be good at reading hebrew out loud and almost never did it.
kapusta, OK, thanks for making the correction
I know a couple of shochtim who should have been mechanchim.
Being a shochet is one of the most prestigious and honorable jobs in Yiddishkeit. A stark contrast to a goyish butcher.
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