February 8, 2013 9:43 pm at 9:43 pm #608126
are u allowed to study chumash, navi, parsha, or halacha on shabbos if its guna ruin ur shabbos?? does it detract from oneg shabbos?this is a serious question and i want serious answers please.February 10, 2013 1:26 am at 1:26 am #944548jewishfeminist02Member
Oneg shabbos is the issue? I would think hachana is a larger problem.February 10, 2013 1:27 am at 1:27 am #944549WIYMember
How can learning Torah ruin your Shabbos? If learning Torah ruins your Shabbos then your whole concept of Shabbos is way out of whack!!February 10, 2013 1:31 am at 1:31 am #944550jewishfeminist02Member
Well, if you’re nervous about passing your test, then the stress from studying could legitimately ruin your Shabbos even if you normally enjoy learning Torah. But again, I think hachana is a more important issur.February 10, 2013 3:08 am at 3:08 am #944551Torah613TorahParticipant
You are allowed to learn any Torah on Shabbos, because your neshama enjoys it. That’s what I learned.
I love learning any time, so it was never an issue.February 10, 2013 4:25 am at 4:25 am #944552
yeah sure i lovee learning.. no but learning is one thing and studying under stress is another thing.. wiy dont make me feel guilty.. its not the chumash i dont like its the stress k? next- is it rlly a problem of hachana? cuz i never heard that from anyone.. does anyone have a source and my father will look it up?February 10, 2013 4:42 am at 4:42 am #944553Torah613TorahParticipant
yes stress is vry hard in hi skool.
but gud for u 4 studing and we al hope u get a gud mark! iyhFebruary 10, 2013 4:53 am at 4:53 am #944554
aww thanks torah 613!! i hope so.. is it true that sems look at ur 9th grade report card too? i wana get into bjj!!!! but dont wana go;) u need a 97 avg rite? so last terms repprt card is 98.6 but idk abt this term…February 10, 2013 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #944555YW Moderator-42Moderator
My father told me that there is no issue of hachono when it comes to learning on Shabbos.February 10, 2013 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #944556
are u making a joke w “ur father”?? kk do u have a source also? thanks so much..February 10, 2013 3:43 pm at 3:43 pm #944557
btw everyone shud know that i ttly didnt study on shabbos!! had fun instead… talk abt procrastinating..February 10, 2013 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #944558oomisParticipant
Was that a serious question?February 10, 2013 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #944559
yes and i want a serious answer. does it ruin oneg shabbos and is it hachana?February 10, 2013 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #944560simcha613Participant
To play devil’s advocate- about the oneg Shabbos issue, yes all learning is enjoyable for the Neshoma, but people like learning different areas. For someone who usually learns Chumash because that’s what they enjoy, but is “forced” to study for a Gemara test which he enjoys less… I could see that as lessening oneg Shabbos.
And hachanah- if you would be doing something else, but are only learning this because of the test, why wouldn’t that be hachanah? So, I have heard that if you are taking a nap on Shabbos because you want to stay up late, you are allowed to on Shabbos since it is inherently enjoyable, as long as you don’t say you are taking a nap for after Shabbos purposes. I guess that argument would apply to studying Torah on Shabbos.February 10, 2013 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #944561supermeMember
Purpleone- u one of those girls god shld help u!!!!!!!! Y u doing that yourself??
And Hebrew allowed to b studied on shbs but y bOther shbs is the one day to relax an forget about skwl!!February 10, 2013 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #944562WIYMember
The text talk is giving me a head ache. Mods I think it needs to be strictly limited to ThePurpleOne.February 11, 2013 1:06 am at 1:06 am #944563yytzParticipant
Regardless of whether it’s permitted, it’s not good to do because it’s not shabbosdik to study for a test on Shabbos (ie, it’s stressing you out, it’s preparing for your week, it’s attending to your weekday affairs.) You should probably take a nap — most teenagers (and young adults) get far less sleep than they need, and it’s a mitzvah to take care of our health. Getting enough sleep also helps your brain work better, potentially improving your exam performance. Anyway, hatzlacha!February 11, 2013 1:54 am at 1:54 am #944564
thats not the prob.. i get plenty of sleep on shabbos!! u think 12 hours is ok?? during the week i get aroun 4.5 or 5..February 11, 2013 3:47 am at 3:47 am #944565yytzParticipant
Haha, you sound like me when I was in high school — that’s about how much I slept in on the weekends, though I probably got more than 4.5 or 5 per night.
Most scientific authorities believe that teenagers need 9 or 10 hours of sleep a night (though one study suggests seven is enough.) (Rambam said 8 hours is the right amount, but I’m not sure if he differentiated by age.)
Studies have pointed to one reason why they get so much less than they should: the school schedule doesn’t match teens’ biological cycle. Most teens would prefer staying up late and sleeping in late, and there seems to be a biological basis for that. What happens in practice is that they stay up late and then have to wake up early for school, leaving them sleep-deprived and grumpy (making it harder to perform well in school).
Nowadays that applies to tons of adults too, especially now that devices like smartphones have become addictive distractions. Rachmana litzlan.
If most people (teens or adults) would make sure they get at least 7 or 8 hours of sleep, they’d be in a better mood, do better in school or at work, get along with others better, get sick less often and recover more quickly, and have greater self-control (“executive function” in cognitive science terms.) The problem is, it takes self-control to start sleeping more to begin with!February 11, 2013 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #944566
i wish i cud get that much every night!! but the prob is teen girls are on the phone 4 at least 3 hours every night!! plus studying for a couple of hours!! then dance classes and guitar lessons and we gotta eat too ya know!!April 12, 2013 7:25 am at 7:25 am #944567sonMember
It’s pretty clear that doing any mitzvah is hachana. I mean… you’re preparing your home in olam ha’ba. Why would you think it’s mutar?
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