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October 17, 2013 1:39 am at 1:39 am #610918Lost1970Member
Unfortunately for many people suffering weakens Emuna. I have heard a lecture about Iyov denying the World to Come and Resurrection.
A paradoxical case is when suffering causes a non-believer to return to G-d. I have read a blog of a Buddhist who became a monotheist (and thus a follower of the Seven Laws of Noach after a great misfortune.
October 17, 2013 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #979123MDGParticipantI would say that many so-called believers are not as strong in their beliefs as their image projects. On the other hand, some people have emunah that has yet to be developed. It just takes something to bring it out.
October 17, 2013 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #979124rebdonielMemberIt’s klar that HaShem gives yissurim to those He believes can handle them; suffering is seen in the Torah as something which increases faith and builds character.
October 17, 2013 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #979125Rav TuvParticipantRD- Hashem KNOWS what someone can handle…he doesn’t believe it.
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October 17, 2013 9:47 pm at 9:47 pm #979127iknoMemberthe rabeinu yona says that before a person is born, hashem asks him if he accepts his life challenges, and the person has a full choice, and the gan eden for such a person is undescribable… so we all chose our lives, they may be tough but it was our choice…
another sharp line heard from a chashuva person,
“where hashem puts a period, we don’t put a question mark”
October 17, 2013 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #979128WolfishMusingsParticipantI don’t see why this must be one or the other. For some people suffering strengthens faith while for others it weakens it. It probably depends on the personality and makeup of the person.
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October 17, 2013 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #979129Lost1970Member>> I would say that many so-called believers are not
>> as strong in their beliefs as their image projects.
Definitely. Actually most religious Jews withstand suffering very well.
Those who worship idols easily give up their beliefs for the Laws of Noach.
October 17, 2013 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #979130Lost1970Member>> another sharp line heard from a chashuva person,
>> “where Hashem puts a period, we don’t put a question mark”
Definitely, a human has no right to argue with G-d. One temptation of idol worship is that people can argue with idols.
October 18, 2013 12:12 am at 12:12 am #979131iknoMemberi didnt mean it that you can’t argue….
this quote was meant as a chizuk for after someone was niftar…. when Hashem decides to end something, we may not have questions. we have to realize its all for the best.
if you can argue with idols, then obviously then they have no power, so why would u be even tempted to worship something that has no power/ where would that get you?
October 18, 2013 12:25 am at 12:25 am #979132rebdonielMemberChutzpah klapei shamayim seems to be a pretty well-documented inyan to me.
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